edlorah
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In the aftermath of Newtown, I can't begin to tell you how many times I've heard the gun lobby and
its minions say, in effect, "don't make gun policy when you're emotional", or "emotional decision
making leads to bad policies"; something to that effect. It was only with the Newtown shooting that I realized that that argument is always put forth in the
aftermath of a horrendous mass shooting. It's a stalling, diversionary tactic. The public's attention
span dwindles as the raw anger, horror, and nausea begins to subside. It's worked pretty well for the
NRA. So far.(This 'emotion' argument reminds me an old Bogart movie: slapping an hysterical dame across the
face and saying "get a hold of yourself. You're hysterical". The NRA's insinuation is just as ugly and
patronizing. And it only comes from males ....I never once heard, in any of Marc's posts, anything but a cold rationale for why the weapons in
question should not be banned. "Automatic" vs. "Semi-automatic" (yes, I've been upbraided by gun
owners for not knowing the difference: a difference that undoubtedly means less than zero to te
parents of twenty dead children.
Had Marc once shown the slightest bit of empathy or concern for the families whose lives are ruined
forever, my assertion that he has a stone cold heart might have been tempered. I said it then and I
say it again: I pity anyone whose humanity is so far in their rear view mirror that they are incapable
to generating an ounce of human feeling for the shocked and horrified people of Newtown, Aurora,
and a few dozen other places.I do not, and I cannot understand personally, what America's unique and peculiar obsession with
firearms is. I understand it as a cultural myth: westerns, pioneers, hunters, soldiers. We grew up
with heavily romanticized myths about them all. And we never outgrew those myths.The attachment to guns seems to me, in this latest round of debates, to be generating lots of
rationales about 'the government' and the, apparently in some deluded, paranoid minds, imminent
confiscation of weapons and the imposition of socialism. Kind of a 'Red Dawn' adolescent fantasy.Meanwhile the NRA who, as near as I can tell, is really only the marketing division of Smith and
Wesson bends the facts and stats ... alright, lies .. and hides behind the Constitution to keep the
gun money flowing. Up until now the American public has silently gritted their teeth and accepted the ever more
frequent mall, theater, school ______________ (insert your venue here) shootings as the cost of doing
business and prayed God it didn't happen to anyone they knew or cared about.The 'inanimate object' argument (the 'spoon/gun analogy') is, as Reg pointed out, laughable at best.
Following that logic it doesn't really matter if every man, woman, and child in the nation possesses a
flame thrower, a rocket launcher, or a neutron bomb .. all inanimate objects by the way ... like a
spoon.So thanks Joe. Blessed are the Peacemakers. I'm sure Marc is sincere, and sincerely believes what he
is saying, at least some of the time. I don't get it. I don't own a gun. I never will. I am not afraid of
the government taking over. I am increasingly wary of malls, movie theaters, churches, and large
gatherings of strangers. This is the country we have made for ourselves. I am not content with the
way it is. There is a change coming. Like the abolition of slavery, like Prohibition, like the Civil
Rights Act, the change will be slow, and many more people will die ridiculous, unwarrented sudden
death before America is ready to abandon its role as the dangerous armed child of the Western
world and join the 21st Century, a program already in progress.
–--
"It was done only for political reasons only anyway. "
"It was done only for political reasons only anyway. "
E
edlorah
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In the aftermath of Newtown, I can't begin to tell you how many times I've heard the gun lobby and
its minions say, in effect, "don't make gun policy when you're emotional", or "emotional decision
making leads to bad policies"; something to that effect. It was only with the Newtown shooting that I realized that that argument is always put forth in the
aftermath of a horrendous mass shooting. It's a stalling, diversionary tactic. The public's attention
span dwindles as the raw anger, horror, and nausea begins to subside. It's worked pretty well for the
NRA. So far.(This 'emotion' argument reminds me an old Bogart movie: slapping an hysterical dame across the
face and saying "get a hold of yourself. You're hysterical". The NRA's insinuation is just as ugly and
patronizing. And it only comes from males ....I never once heard, in any of Marc's posts, anything but a cold rationale for why the weapons in
question should not be banned. "Automatic" vs. "Semi-automatic" (yes, I've been upbraided by gun
owners for not knowing the difference: a difference that undoubtedly means less than zero to te
parents of twenty dead children.
Had Marc once shown the slightest bit of empathy or concern for the families whose lives are ruined
forever, my assertion that he has a stone cold heart might have been tempered. I said it then and I
say it again: I pity anyone whose humanity is so far in their rear view mirror that they are incapable
to generating an ounce of human feeling for the shocked and horrified people of Newtown, Aurora,
and a few dozen other places.I do not, and I cannot understand personally, what America's unique and peculiar obsession with
firearms is. I understand it as a cultural myth: westerns, pioneers, hunters, soldiers. We grew up
with heavily romanticized myths about them all. And we never outgrew those myths.The attachment to guns seems to me, in this latest round of debates, to be generating lots of
rationales about 'the government' and the, apparently in some deluded, paranoid minds, imminent
confiscation of weapons and the imposition of socialism. Kind of a 'Red Dawn' adolescent fantasy.Meanwhile the NRA who, as near as I can tell, is really only the marketing division of Smith and
Wesson bends the facts and stats ... alright, lies .. and hides behind the Constitution to keep the
gun money flowing. Up until now the American public has silently gritted their teeth and accepted the ever more
frequent mall, theater, school ______________ (insert your venue here) shootings as the cost of doing
business and prayed God it didn't happen to anyone they knew or cared about.The 'inanimate object' argument (the 'spoon/gun analogy') is, as Reg pointed out, laughable at best.
Following that logic it doesn't really matter if every man, woman, and child in the nation possesses a
flame thrower, a rocket launcher, or a neutron bomb .. all inanimate objects by the way ... like a
spoon.So thanks Joe. Blessed are the Peacemakers. I'm sure Marc is sincere, and sincerely believes what he
is saying, at least some of the time. I don't get it. I don't own a gun. I never will. I am not afraid of
the government taking over. I am increasingly wary of malls, movie theaters, churches, and large
gatherings of strangers. This is the country we have made for ourselves. I am not content with the
way it is. There is a change coming. Like the abolition of slavery, like Prohibition, like the Civil
Rights Act, the change will be slow, and many more people will die ridiculous, unwarrented sudden
death before America is ready to abandon its role as the dangerous armed child of the Western
world and join the 21st Century, a program already in progress.
–--
"It was done only for political reasons only anyway. "
"It was done only for political reasons only anyway. "
posted 2013.01.14
posted on January 14th 2013
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edlorah
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Let's talk about gun control – Marc on January 5th, 2013-
Re: Let's talk about gun control – big@l on January 6th, 2013-
Re: Let's talk about gun control – Marc on January 6th, 2013
Re: Let's talk about gun control – edlorah on January 6th, 2013
The reason why.... – EEE on January 6th, 2013-
Re: The reason why....Ok Eric – randym on January 7th, 2013-
It's much, much deeper.... – EEE on January 7th, 2013-
Re: It's much, much deeper.... – randym on January 7th, 2013
Re: The reason why....Ok Eric – pkjensen on January 7th, 2013-
Re: The reason why....Ok Eric – randym on January 7th, 2013-
Re: The reason why....Ok Eric – edlorah on January 8th, 2013-
Re: The reason why....Ok Eric – Marc on January 9th, 2013-
Re: The reason why....Ok Eric – edlorah on January 9th, 2013-
Re: Marc can you please give me – big@l on January 9th, 2013-
Re: Marc can you please give me – Marc on January 9th, 2013-
Re: Marc can you please give me – edlorah on January 9th, 2013-
Re: Marc can you please give me – Peter T. on January 10th, 2013
Re: Let's talk about gun control – Andrea on January 8th, 2013-
Outta Here – Peter T. on January 8th, 2013-
Re: Outta Here – Marc on January 9th, 2013-
Again...this reply is again why we can't discuss guns and violence... – EEE on January 10th, 2013-
Re: Again...this reply is again why we can't discuss guns and violence... – Marc on January 10th, 2013-
Re: Again...this reply is again why we can't discuss guns and violence... – edlorah on January 10th, 2013
Again...you prove my point.... – EEE on January 11th, 2013
Re: Again...this reply is again why we can't discuss guns and violence... – Andrea on January 11th, 2013-
Re: Again...this reply is again why we can't discuss guns and violence... – Marc on January 11th, 2013-
Re: Again...this reply is again why we can't discuss guns and violence... – edlorah on January 11th, 2013-
Re: Again...this reply is again why we can't discuss guns and violence... – Marc on January 12th, 2013
this reply is again why we should discuss guns and violence... – messybear on January 14th, 2013-
Re: this reply is again why we should discuss guns and violence... – Dan on January 14th, 2013
Re: this reply is again why we should discuss guns and violence... – edlorah on January 14th, 2013-
Re: this reply is again why we should discuss guns and violence... – messybear on January 15th, 2013
Re: this reply is again why we should discuss guns and violence... – Marc on January 15th, 2013-
Re: this reply is again why we should discuss guns and violence... – Kathryn on January 16th, 2013
Re: Again...this reply is again why we can't discuss guns and violence... – Andrea on January 12th, 2013
Re: Again...this reply is again why we can't discuss guns and violence... – Marc on January 11th, 2013
Re: Outta Here – Dan on January 10th, 2013-
Re: Outta Here – Marc on January 11th, 2013-
Re: Outta Here – Dan on January 11th, 2013-
Good article on guns and NRA...what I've been saying for years... – EEE on January 11th, 2013-
Money For Something – Peter T. on January 11th, 2013
Re: Good article on guns and NRA...what I've been saying for years... – Marc on January 11th, 2013-
Marc.....why don't you just stick your head up.... – EEE on January 12th, 2013-
Re: Marc.....why don't you just stick your head up.... – Marc on January 12th, 2013-
I'm done...you are a waste of my time... – EEE on January 12th, 2013-
Re: I'm done...you are a waste of my time... – Marc on January 12th, 2013
Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – Reg on January 12th, 2013-
Re: Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – Marc on January 12th, 2013-
not Sorry, This is gonna smoke a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – messybear on January 13th, 2013
Re: Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – Reg on January 13th, 2013-
Re: Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – Marc on January 15th, 2013-
Re: Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – Reg on January 17th, 2013-
Re: Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – edlorah on January 17th, 2013-
Re: Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – Reg on January 17th, 2013-
Re: Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – Marc on January 19th, 2013-
Re: Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – edlorah on January 19th, 2013-
Re: Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – Marc on January 19th, 2013-
Try reading today's idiots with guns round-up... – Reg on January 19th, 2013
Re: Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – edlorah on January 28th, 2013-
Re: Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – heathcliffe on January 30th, 2013
Let's start with your opening gambit, Marc... – Reg on January 19th, 2013
How sick are some of these gun owners groups... – Reg on January 19th, 2013-
If you were to, how would you reply to this cogent opinion, Marc? – messybear on February 10th, 2013-
Since Marc is not going to reply I'll offer this on his behalf...and really fasten your seatbelts... – Reg on February 13th, 2013
Re: Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – messybear on January 17th, 2013-
Don't know what to tell you, Mess... – Reg on January 17th, 2013-
Re: Don't know what to tell you, Mess... – Marc on January 18th, 2013
Re: Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – Marc on January 18th, 2013
Re: Sorry . . . this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – messybear on January 12th, 2013-
Re: Sorry . . . this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – Marc on January 12th, 2013-
Re: Sorry . . . this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – edlorah on January 12th, 2013-
Re: Sorry . . . this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – messybear on January 12th, 2013-
yeah but – big@l on January 13th, 2013-
Re: yeah but – Kathryn on January 13th, 2013-
Article released today – Kathryn on January 13th, 2013
Here's a video for you while you are waiting to be enslaved, Marc... – Reg on January 19th, 2013-
Re: Here's a video for you while you are waiting to be enslaved, Marc... – Dslacker on January 26th, 2013
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