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Of course, these are only my opinions, but I believe they do have merit...For one thing, violence in America is much deeper than the general populace cares to examine or is wiling and capable of discussing. Frankly, one reason for this is that the general populace resorts to rationales, beliefs or solutions that are not related, have no possibility of having an overwhelming success or have no relationship to the problem at hand. And BOTH sides of the equation do this - for example, right now we are having religious zealots making the claim that the reason there is so much violence is because God has been taken out of schools and on the other hand, is the extreme gun control crowd that seems to ignore the 2nd Amendment. Really, God out of schools is the problem? Right. And no court in the land would ever allow the government to confiscate ALL firearms. As for your suggesting about video/mass media violence, to my knowledge, there has not been any verifiable study showing a CAUSAL relationship between violent media and criminal behavior. And to illustrate the fallacy of such a claim, have you seen Asian media culture when it comes to the portrayal of violence? If these video games and popular media CAUSED violence, then where are the violent acts in Japan or China?Now, here's a baffling thing to me - most places that allow waterfowl hunting with shotguns (other than double barrel ones) require the shotguns have a "plug" so only so many shells can be placed in the magazine. Now, have hunters screamed up and down about their gun rights being violated? Or, how about how lead pellets have been outlawed because of toxicity to waterfowl, to be replaced with steel? Again, what have these "restrictions" led to other than what intended? (I find it quite odd that here in America people don't complain too much about gun control measures to safeguard wildlife, but by God, it's seize the guns when it comes to protecting human life). And let's look at the battles the NRA has fought against - areas where it has been shown firearms from these battles do end up in the hands of criminals:Lax gun show selling laws and straw purchases (where a person goes into a store and legally buys firearms, but then is doing it for someone else). One study showed where one seller/business had multiple stores where many, many of the legally sold firearms were used in crimes due to straw purchased. But the NRA fights this, as does it the increased tracking of firearms. Why is this? And WHY is America so gun crazy to begin with? And why are Americans so afraid? On top of this, WHY are white males so afraid? These are questions we have to examine and ask and seek truthful answers to. But as a nation we will not. So really, why bother even trying to have a sense based discussion on firearms and violence?Next, someone will bring up the gun violence in N. York and Chicago and their draconian gun laws while always forgetting to point out that guns flow into these places because states with the least amount of restrictive gun laws border places like this. I guess my main point is that guns and violence end up getting drowned by the droning ignorance of the battling sides instead of really figuring out how to deal with these issues......
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Of course, these are only my opinions, but I believe they do have merit...For one thing, violence in America is much deeper than the general populace cares to examine or is wiling and capable of discussing. Frankly, one reason for this is that the general populace resorts to rationales, beliefs or solutions that are not related, have no possibility of having an overwhelming success or have no relationship to the problem at hand. And BOTH sides of the equation do this - for example, right now we are having religious zealots making the claim that the reason there is so much violence is because God has been taken out of schools and on the other hand, is the extreme gun control crowd that seems to ignore the 2nd Amendment. Really, God out of schools is the problem? Right. And no court in the land would ever allow the government to confiscate ALL firearms. As for your suggesting about video/mass media violence, to my knowledge, there has not been any verifiable study showing a CAUSAL relationship between violent media and criminal behavior. And to illustrate the fallacy of such a claim, have you seen Asian media culture when it comes to the portrayal of violence? If these video games and popular media CAUSED violence, then where are the violent acts in Japan or China?Now, here's a baffling thing to me - most places that allow waterfowl hunting with shotguns (other than double barrel ones) require the shotguns have a "plug" so only so many shells can be placed in the magazine. Now, have hunters screamed up and down about their gun rights being violated? Or, how about how lead pellets have been outlawed because of toxicity to waterfowl, to be replaced with steel? Again, what have these "restrictions" led to other than what intended? (I find it quite odd that here in America people don't complain too much about gun control measures to safeguard wildlife, but by God, it's seize the guns when it comes to protecting human life). And let's look at the battles the NRA has fought against - areas where it has been shown firearms from these battles do end up in the hands of criminals:Lax gun show selling laws and straw purchases (where a person goes into a store and legally buys firearms, but then is doing it for someone else). One study showed where one seller/business had multiple stores where many, many of the legally sold firearms were used in crimes due to straw purchased. But the NRA fights this, as does it the increased tracking of firearms. Why is this? And WHY is America so gun crazy to begin with? And why are Americans so afraid? On top of this, WHY are white males so afraid? These are questions we have to examine and ask and seek truthful answers to. But as a nation we will not. So really, why bother even trying to have a sense based discussion on firearms and violence?Next, someone will bring up the gun violence in N. York and Chicago and their draconian gun laws while always forgetting to point out that guns flow into these places because states with the least amount of restrictive gun laws border places like this. I guess my main point is that guns and violence end up getting drowned by the droning ignorance of the battling sides instead of really figuring out how to deal with these issues......
posted 2013.01.07
posted on January 7th 2013
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Let's talk about gun control – Marc on January 5th, 2013-
Re: Let's talk about gun control – big@l on January 6th, 2013-
Re: Let's talk about gun control – Marc on January 6th, 2013
Re: Let's talk about gun control – edlorah on January 6th, 2013
The reason why.... – EEE on January 6th, 2013-
Re: The reason why....Ok Eric – randym on January 7th, 2013-
It's much, much deeper.... – EEE on January 7th, 2013-
Re: It's much, much deeper.... – randym on January 7th, 2013
Re: The reason why....Ok Eric – pkjensen on January 7th, 2013-
Re: The reason why....Ok Eric – randym on January 7th, 2013-
Re: The reason why....Ok Eric – edlorah on January 8th, 2013-
Re: The reason why....Ok Eric – Marc on January 9th, 2013-
Re: The reason why....Ok Eric – edlorah on January 9th, 2013-
Re: Marc can you please give me – big@l on January 9th, 2013-
Re: Marc can you please give me – Marc on January 9th, 2013-
Re: Marc can you please give me – edlorah on January 9th, 2013-
Re: Marc can you please give me – Peter T. on January 10th, 2013
Re: Let's talk about gun control – Andrea on January 8th, 2013-
Outta Here – Peter T. on January 8th, 2013-
Re: Outta Here – Marc on January 9th, 2013-
Again...this reply is again why we can't discuss guns and violence... – EEE on January 10th, 2013-
Re: Again...this reply is again why we can't discuss guns and violence... – Marc on January 10th, 2013-
Re: Again...this reply is again why we can't discuss guns and violence... – edlorah on January 10th, 2013
Again...you prove my point.... – EEE on January 11th, 2013
Re: Again...this reply is again why we can't discuss guns and violence... – Andrea on January 11th, 2013-
Re: Again...this reply is again why we can't discuss guns and violence... – Marc on January 11th, 2013-
Re: Again...this reply is again why we can't discuss guns and violence... – edlorah on January 11th, 2013-
Re: Again...this reply is again why we can't discuss guns and violence... – Marc on January 12th, 2013
this reply is again why we should discuss guns and violence... – messybear on January 14th, 2013-
Re: this reply is again why we should discuss guns and violence... – Dan on January 14th, 2013
Re: this reply is again why we should discuss guns and violence... – edlorah on January 14th, 2013-
Re: this reply is again why we should discuss guns and violence... – messybear on January 15th, 2013
Re: this reply is again why we should discuss guns and violence... – Marc on January 15th, 2013-
Re: this reply is again why we should discuss guns and violence... – Kathryn on January 16th, 2013
Re: Again...this reply is again why we can't discuss guns and violence... – Andrea on January 12th, 2013
Re: Again...this reply is again why we can't discuss guns and violence... – Marc on January 11th, 2013
Re: Outta Here – Dan on January 10th, 2013-
Re: Outta Here – Marc on January 11th, 2013-
Re: Outta Here – Dan on January 11th, 2013-
Good article on guns and NRA...what I've been saying for years... – EEE on January 11th, 2013-
Money For Something – Peter T. on January 11th, 2013
Re: Good article on guns and NRA...what I've been saying for years... – Marc on January 11th, 2013-
Marc.....why don't you just stick your head up.... – EEE on January 12th, 2013-
Re: Marc.....why don't you just stick your head up.... – Marc on January 12th, 2013-
I'm done...you are a waste of my time... – EEE on January 12th, 2013-
Re: I'm done...you are a waste of my time... – Marc on January 12th, 2013
Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – Reg on January 12th, 2013-
Re: Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – Marc on January 12th, 2013-
not Sorry, This is gonna smoke a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – messybear on January 13th, 2013
Re: Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – Reg on January 13th, 2013-
Re: Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – Marc on January 15th, 2013-
Re: Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – Reg on January 17th, 2013-
Re: Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – edlorah on January 17th, 2013-
Re: Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – Reg on January 17th, 2013-
Re: Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – Marc on January 19th, 2013-
Re: Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – edlorah on January 19th, 2013-
Re: Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – Marc on January 19th, 2013-
Try reading today's idiots with guns round-up... – Reg on January 19th, 2013
Re: Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – edlorah on January 28th, 2013-
Re: Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – heathcliffe on January 30th, 2013
Let's start with your opening gambit, Marc... – Reg on January 19th, 2013
How sick are some of these gun owners groups... – Reg on January 19th, 2013-
If you were to, how would you reply to this cogent opinion, Marc? – messybear on February 10th, 2013-
Since Marc is not going to reply I'll offer this on his behalf...and really fasten your seatbelts... – Reg on February 13th, 2013
Re: Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – messybear on January 17th, 2013-
Don't know what to tell you, Mess... – Reg on January 17th, 2013-
Re: Don't know what to tell you, Mess... – Marc on January 18th, 2013
Re: Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – Marc on January 18th, 2013
Re: Sorry . . . this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – messybear on January 12th, 2013-
Re: Sorry . . . this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – Marc on January 12th, 2013-
Re: Sorry . . . this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – edlorah on January 12th, 2013-
Re: Sorry . . . this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – messybear on January 12th, 2013-
yeah but – big@l on January 13th, 2013-
Re: yeah but – Kathryn on January 13th, 2013-
Article released today – Kathryn on January 13th, 2013
Here's a video for you while you are waiting to be enslaved, Marc... – Reg on January 19th, 2013-
Re: Here's a video for you while you are waiting to be enslaved, Marc... – Dslacker on January 26th, 2013
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