well I was thinking about this becuase a judge over here gave a guy 12 fucking years for murder this week,. He'll be out before he's 40, he drove a nine inch blade through a polish guy's heart on a bus cos he had the temerity to gesture his driving. I would rather these people never set foot outside a jail again, these two extremes of the penal system...have left me sadly preferring that a guy gets the death penalty than 12years, but I would prefer they were locked up for life and forced to listen to Brad, blowhard that he is. Pat...an eye for an eye was the message that Jesus wanted to get rid of you old testament lovin' turnip. Remember he FORGAVE his tormentors, not shouted for the death penalty. I hope you see the big irony in all that...probably not