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The long and short of it is, O'Reilly has his, now, he likes it an
awful lot, and he going to say whatever he has to cause he
wants to keep it.Shorter, he's sold his soul for mammon.respects
Britons face extradition for 'thought crime' on net
By Philip Johnston, Home Affairs Editor
(Filed: 18/02/2003)British citizens will be extradited for what critics have called a
"thought crime" under a new European arrest warrant, the
Government has conceded.Campaigners fear they could even face trial for broadcasting
"xenophobic or racist" remarks - such as denying the
Holocaust - on an internet chatroom in another country.The Government has undertaken that if such "offences" take
place in Britain the perpetrators would not be extradited - but
it will be for the courts to decide the location of the crime.This opens up the prospect of a judge agreeing to extradite
someone whose observations, though made in Britain, were
broadcast exclusively in a country where they constitute a
crime.Legislation now before Parliament will make "xenophobia and
racism" one of 32 crimes for which the European arrest
warrant can be issued without the existing safeguard of dual
criminality. This requires that an extraditable offence must
also be a crime in the UK.Alongside the arrest warrant, EU ministers are negotiating a
new directive to establish a common set of offences to
criminalise xenophobia and racism.Countries such as Germany and Austria have crimes such as
denying the Holocaust which have no equivalent in Britain.
Under current laws, if a British citizen committed this offence
in Germany and returned to the UK, he could not be
extradited.However, this will change when the arrest warrant becomes
law next year. Lord Filkin, the Home Office minister, told MPs:
"If someone went to Germany and stood up in Cologne market
place and shouted the odds, denying the Holocaust, and then
came back [to Britain], they would be subject to extradition
under the European arrest warrant."Holocaust denial laws are in place in seven EU countries but
they would be a big departure for Britain, where a risk of
fomenting public disorder is needed before a thought
becomes a crime.A German historian who claimed that Auschwitz prisoners
enjoyed cinemas, a swimming pool and brothels was
sentenced to 10 months in jail.Lord Filkin has insisted that no one would be extradited "in
respect of conduct which has occurred here and which is legal
here". But when he was asked by the European scrutiny
committee of the House of Commons whether comments
originating in Britain but carried abroad on television or
through an internet chatroom would be extraditable, he said:
"It will be for the courts to decide."While he was adamant that a British citizen would not be
extradited for a xenophobia or racism offence if part of the
conduct took place in the UK, the committee asked whether
this principle would be made clear in the Extradition Bill now
before Parliament.The proposed EU directive would extend the offences of
racism and xenophobia to include discrimination on the
grounds of religious conviction - something that was dropped
by the Government more than a year ago following fierce
opposition.Britain has negotiated a deal under which the offences will
only apply when they involve incitement to violence. Lord
Filkin said this was in line with current UK race laws.However, Britain has been forced to concede a review after
two years at which point the directive could be extended to
opinions that are simply considered offensive and not just
those likely to incite violence. Agreement on the directive has
been held up because some EU countries want a "low
threshold for criminality on these issues".Philip Duly, campaign manager for the Freedom Association,
said the Government should protect citizens from extradition
for what he called "thought crimes".He added: "The Government has previously maintained that
no one will be extradited for conduct which is not a crime in
the UK. But here we have Lord Filkin admitting that there are
circumstances which will be decided not by ministers but by
courts." 9 January 2003: Beware foreign policemen at your door
4 November 2002: Extradition law may give EU police
power of arrest in Britain
3 April 2002: Blair shies away from EU law on Holocaust
7 February 2002: EU gets a new arrest warrant but
safeguard is blocked
29 November 2001: EU considers plans to outlaw racism
27 November 2001: Will Euro-warrants put fair trials at
risk?
20 November 2001: Concern over catch-all EU arrest
warrant
30 January 1997: Blair backs Holocaust denial lawPrevious story: 21 killed in Chicago nightclub stampede
Next story: Sir Alex admits Beckham own-goal
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“Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions.” Wm O. Douglas
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The long and short of it is, O'Reilly has his, now, he likes it an
awful lot, and he going to say whatever he has to cause he
wants to keep it.Shorter, he's sold his soul for mammon.respects
Britons face extradition for 'thought crime' on net
By Philip Johnston, Home Affairs Editor
(Filed: 18/02/2003)British citizens will be extradited for what critics have called a
"thought crime" under a new European arrest warrant, the
Government has conceded.Campaigners fear they could even face trial for broadcasting
"xenophobic or racist" remarks - such as denying the
Holocaust - on an internet chatroom in another country.The Government has undertaken that if such "offences" take
place in Britain the perpetrators would not be extradited - but
it will be for the courts to decide the location of the crime.This opens up the prospect of a judge agreeing to extradite
someone whose observations, though made in Britain, were
broadcast exclusively in a country where they constitute a
crime.Legislation now before Parliament will make "xenophobia and
racism" one of 32 crimes for which the European arrest
warrant can be issued without the existing safeguard of dual
criminality. This requires that an extraditable offence must
also be a crime in the UK.Alongside the arrest warrant, EU ministers are negotiating a
new directive to establish a common set of offences to
criminalise xenophobia and racism.Countries such as Germany and Austria have crimes such as
denying the Holocaust which have no equivalent in Britain.
Under current laws, if a British citizen committed this offence
in Germany and returned to the UK, he could not be
extradited.However, this will change when the arrest warrant becomes
law next year. Lord Filkin, the Home Office minister, told MPs:
"If someone went to Germany and stood up in Cologne market
place and shouted the odds, denying the Holocaust, and then
came back [to Britain], they would be subject to extradition
under the European arrest warrant."Holocaust denial laws are in place in seven EU countries but
they would be a big departure for Britain, where a risk of
fomenting public disorder is needed before a thought
becomes a crime.A German historian who claimed that Auschwitz prisoners
enjoyed cinemas, a swimming pool and brothels was
sentenced to 10 months in jail.Lord Filkin has insisted that no one would be extradited "in
respect of conduct which has occurred here and which is legal
here". But when he was asked by the European scrutiny
committee of the House of Commons whether comments
originating in Britain but carried abroad on television or
through an internet chatroom would be extraditable, he said:
"It will be for the courts to decide."While he was adamant that a British citizen would not be
extradited for a xenophobia or racism offence if part of the
conduct took place in the UK, the committee asked whether
this principle would be made clear in the Extradition Bill now
before Parliament.The proposed EU directive would extend the offences of
racism and xenophobia to include discrimination on the
grounds of religious conviction - something that was dropped
by the Government more than a year ago following fierce
opposition.Britain has negotiated a deal under which the offences will
only apply when they involve incitement to violence. Lord
Filkin said this was in line with current UK race laws.However, Britain has been forced to concede a review after
two years at which point the directive could be extended to
opinions that are simply considered offensive and not just
those likely to incite violence. Agreement on the directive has
been held up because some EU countries want a "low
threshold for criminality on these issues".Philip Duly, campaign manager for the Freedom Association,
said the Government should protect citizens from extradition
for what he called "thought crimes".He added: "The Government has previously maintained that
no one will be extradited for conduct which is not a crime in
the UK. But here we have Lord Filkin admitting that there are
circumstances which will be decided not by ministers but by
courts." 9 January 2003: Beware foreign policemen at your door
4 November 2002: Extradition law may give EU police
power of arrest in Britain
3 April 2002: Blair shies away from EU law on Holocaust
7 February 2002: EU gets a new arrest warrant but
safeguard is blocked
29 November 2001: EU considers plans to outlaw racism
27 November 2001: Will Euro-warrants put fair trials at
risk?
20 November 2001: Concern over catch-all EU arrest
warrant
30 January 1997: Blair backs Holocaust denial lawPrevious story: 21 killed in Chicago nightclub stampede
Next story: Sir Alex admits Beckham own-goal
© Copyright of Telegraph Group Limited 2003. Terms &
Conditions of reading.
Commercial information. Privacy Policy.
–--
“Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions.” Wm O. Douglas
“Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions.” Wm O. Douglas
