two guys who hurt each other but who meant something to each other a long time ago. One who is a Christian who should understand the power of forgiveness as a prerequisite to any other religious aspirations of redemption. The other a guy who rightly gives me as much shit as I throw out - which is admirable. If someone reads the previous posts they have now by default become involved...I am not being used chappies. I think you can both heal this but are wearing thick suits of armour that get in the way of being able to say sorry and hug each other, cry, and what not.  You obviously mean a lot to each other. From Robert Thurman I was reading today...'Our self feels most real when we are right and righteous, when we are wrong or unfairly challenged'. Which feels like freedom or independence when we are in a good mood. But feels hellish when we are troubled, isolated, alienated, deprived. Who among you can be brave enough to forgive? Let's show Pat (that other Christian) how its really done. C'mon Green...