Mick: ahaaaaaaaaaaaaa.........makes me sound like a complete moron does that.

now dearie, you've never needed anyone's help with that. :)

on a less serious note (...), this is a place where arguments can get circular, personal, and seemingly endless...but there is no doubt that valuable dialogue has been taking and will continue to take place. the hallmark of democracy is hurled din...colliding ideas...sound and fury (that do signify)...large & influential campaign contributions (whoops, sorry...trying to stay on point here...), and only the passing of time and the release/leak/whatever - or not - of documents and information will prove the validity of people's beliefs here with regards to this current cartel of 'leaders'.

i've been lurking and haven't chimed in much lately because i've tired a bit of yodeling to the choir and/or trying to unwool the eyes of the true believers (hey, we're all useful idiots to some degree)... 

but this is still a hell of a room. perhaps i'll just be the guy making ballons animals out of his own intestines for your amusement and strewing banana peels about for mine. watch your steps and enjoy your stays.