Peter T.
location: New Hampshire
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You offer up a lot there, Pat, but I'll take on a few. You mention the "lack of push back". I've read
many articles regarding the outrage felt by most of the GOP candidates. Similarly, various
conservative voices are speaking up in opposition (Family Research Council).As to the president's "evolution" on this issue, I'm guessing that he probably was in favor of
marriage equality a long time ago but he made the political calculation that it was in his best
interest to keep it to himself. It's not a left versus right decision, it's a political decision that most
in that arena make. I do think the public's perception of gays and lesbians was influenced by the mass media but I'm
not sure it was due to some sort of agenda that the writers and producers had. And I think your
use of the term "militant gay army" is way off base. Sure, in any social movement, you'll see
extreme elements, but I think something more grassroots accounted for the speed of the nation's
change of attitude. I think the popularity of Ellen and other gay entertainers (Elton John, Neil
Patrick Harris to name a few) played a role. But more importantly, I think that at last, gays and
lesbians felt more comfortable to come out to their family, friends, and work colleagues. Once
they were no longer abstract members of "the other", most of our fellow citizens knew they were
just like us, regular people with hopes and dreams. As to what battles lay ahead with respect to church marriages, I hope your worries don't come to
fruition. I believe that the US Constitution allows churches to the right to establish their own
membership laws and rules. Time will tell and if you're prediction is correct, we'll take it up here.Peter T.
Peter T.
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You offer up a lot there, Pat, but I'll take on a few. You mention the "lack of push back". I've read
many articles regarding the outrage felt by most of the GOP candidates. Similarly, various
conservative voices are speaking up in opposition (Family Research Council).As to the president's "evolution" on this issue, I'm guessing that he probably was in favor of
marriage equality a long time ago but he made the political calculation that it was in his best
interest to keep it to himself. It's not a left versus right decision, it's a political decision that most
in that arena make. I do think the public's perception of gays and lesbians was influenced by the mass media but I'm
not sure it was due to some sort of agenda that the writers and producers had. And I think your
use of the term "militant gay army" is way off base. Sure, in any social movement, you'll see
extreme elements, but I think something more grassroots accounted for the speed of the nation's
change of attitude. I think the popularity of Ellen and other gay entertainers (Elton John, Neil
Patrick Harris to name a few) played a role. But more importantly, I think that at last, gays and
lesbians felt more comfortable to come out to their family, friends, and work colleagues. Once
they were no longer abstract members of "the other", most of our fellow citizens knew they were
just like us, regular people with hopes and dreams. As to what battles lay ahead with respect to church marriages, I hope your worries don't come to
fruition. I believe that the US Constitution allows churches to the right to establish their own
membership laws and rules. Time will tell and if you're prediction is correct, we'll take it up here.Peter T.
posted 2015.07.01
posted on July 1st 2015
Peter T.
location: New Hampshire
listening to: Too much of everything!
registered: 1999.05.20
posts: 3016
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SCOTUS gets it right!!! – pkjensen on June 26th, 2015-
The world is Doomed!! Doomed!! It'll all end tomorrow.... – EEE on June 26th, 2015-
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Hey Dale – Peter T. on June 26th, 2015-
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Let's have a sing-a-long... – Reg on June 30th, 2015
Re: Hey Dale – dale on June 30th, 2015
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