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Men have doubts Peter, meaning, I've had doubts, terrible doubts which in retrospect came from
ignorance of the scripture and spiritual opposition which early on manifests itself in rejection,
persecution, wherever your weakness lies. I had no shortage of weaknesses and because I was
immediately torn away from the environment where I was lead to the Lord it took me a several years
to recognize I wasn't where I should be. Even afterward, as happens with most born again
Christians, I periodically doubted my rebirth. Mostly that was on me, my behavior, my anti living,
capitulating to my lusts.But no more, not about Jesus' divinity, not about the cosmology, not about my sins and my need for
Jesus' intercession in my behalf before I am judged. It's pretty interesting really, the older I get, the
more comfortable I am with the death of my old man. Not that he doesn't rear his head but the fear
of the Lord really is the beginning of understanding, among so many other good things. One of the toughest things about calling upon the Lord to forgive you, is practically everyone else's
reaction in the aftermath. Suddenly, following the sharing of your rebirth, which you're so elated
about(which is a terribly important fact I'll touch upon momentarily), you are a different person in
their eyes too. They don't necessarily say anything immediately but eventually it surfaces in some
form or other that you now think you're perfect, or they expect you to be perfect or some other
misconception they haven't the time, nor interest(meaning they quit listening), in your attempting to
explain(you don't always understand) and you drop off their radar(even if you happen to be married
to them, or you're their son, etc). After 40 years(come August, my spiritual birthday), I've come to understand that peoples response
is spiritual in nature, in line with Jesus' observation, to paraphrase, if they hate me, they're going to
hate you. You wouldn't believe how difficult it is to get your mind around all that rejection; your
loved ones are the worse. (I've news for you, most professing Christians, church going Christians,
no matter the denomination, want nothing to do with the authority of the scripture, which is one
and the same as the person of Jesus Christ, amongst his titles, The Word of God). That's not being
judgmental when they want nothing to do Jesus Christ. As to the question of scholars deciding the validity of scripture: it's pure nonsense but how would
you know that when God gives men who reject him over to strong delusion. Nonetheless, allow me
ask you the inverse question: if such a timeless personage as God Almighty were to exist, do you
suppose he could protect his message to his creation(as promised), just as he wanted it? Possibly
even re-authoring it somewhat, as authors sometimes do, for the audience at hand or the language
of the times. It only made sense to me that if the creator is just, then truth is knowable, always knowable, if one
dared seek it. As a young fellow, about 21, I went to the library, and checked out numerous bibles,
sat them side by side, and compared scripture, after having asked for the Lord's guidance because
clearly, they all couldn't be the promised preserved living word when there are so many versions.
Anybody could do that. The answer was inescapable. As to rebirth, being born again, you don't suddenly become perfect like Jesus, in fact you never do
in this life. But folks expect you think you are, or should be, mostly I/we never know what they
think, just their hostility, like herein(LOL). In any case, when one is born again, it's a growth
process, beginning with infancy requiring the milk of the word(for starters). The spirit of God
working on your innards, the spirit of man resisting. I allowed a lot, I grew slow, still aren't as
obedient or observant as I could be. That said, during this 40 year spiritual growth process, I have
reached a stage of assurance that is unshakeable. Fortunately for me, I've always wanted to know the truth(not that I've always acted upon the extent
of what I do indeed know, mind you), so when I was presented the gospel, I repented where it
counts, in my heart. What little progress I have made since was due to the grace of God, truth be
told, I've been an abstinent fuck(which I look forward to answering for, though it won't be pleasant).
See the thing is, it's like a contract, after you opt-in, you're not your own and more than once he's
brought me real low in order to regain my attention. I don't fight him as much these days but still
every truly born again Christian has two natures: the spirit of man he's born with(which cannot help
resisting God, and the Spirit of God that indwells following the sincere decision to repent and
recognize Jesus as ones only way out(in this dispensation, God has dealt with men in different ways
in other dispensations). It'll be a great day when I go home, when any Christian puts off this flesh. Chances are that'll all read like gibberish, but that's the way it is after the rebirth. It's terribly
frustrating until it finally clicks-in that the Lord has your back, and you're actually a son of God. I
mean I have complete assurance of what will happen when I die, and where I'll be thereafter. Eventually, it even seems normal to pray for your enemies and for all of what seem to be
misfortunes. Be well Peter.peaceably,
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“Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions.” Wm O. Douglas
“Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions.” Wm O. Douglas
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Green Mtn
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Men have doubts Peter, meaning, I've had doubts, terrible doubts which in retrospect came from
ignorance of the scripture and spiritual opposition which early on manifests itself in rejection,
persecution, wherever your weakness lies. I had no shortage of weaknesses and because I was
immediately torn away from the environment where I was lead to the Lord it took me a several years
to recognize I wasn't where I should be. Even afterward, as happens with most born again
Christians, I periodically doubted my rebirth. Mostly that was on me, my behavior, my anti living,
capitulating to my lusts.But no more, not about Jesus' divinity, not about the cosmology, not about my sins and my need for
Jesus' intercession in my behalf before I am judged. It's pretty interesting really, the older I get, the
more comfortable I am with the death of my old man. Not that he doesn't rear his head but the fear
of the Lord really is the beginning of understanding, among so many other good things. One of the toughest things about calling upon the Lord to forgive you, is practically everyone else's
reaction in the aftermath. Suddenly, following the sharing of your rebirth, which you're so elated
about(which is a terribly important fact I'll touch upon momentarily), you are a different person in
their eyes too. They don't necessarily say anything immediately but eventually it surfaces in some
form or other that you now think you're perfect, or they expect you to be perfect or some other
misconception they haven't the time, nor interest(meaning they quit listening), in your attempting to
explain(you don't always understand) and you drop off their radar(even if you happen to be married
to them, or you're their son, etc). After 40 years(come August, my spiritual birthday), I've come to understand that peoples response
is spiritual in nature, in line with Jesus' observation, to paraphrase, if they hate me, they're going to
hate you. You wouldn't believe how difficult it is to get your mind around all that rejection; your
loved ones are the worse. (I've news for you, most professing Christians, church going Christians,
no matter the denomination, want nothing to do with the authority of the scripture, which is one
and the same as the person of Jesus Christ, amongst his titles, The Word of God). That's not being
judgmental when they want nothing to do Jesus Christ. As to the question of scholars deciding the validity of scripture: it's pure nonsense but how would
you know that when God gives men who reject him over to strong delusion. Nonetheless, allow me
ask you the inverse question: if such a timeless personage as God Almighty were to exist, do you
suppose he could protect his message to his creation(as promised), just as he wanted it? Possibly
even re-authoring it somewhat, as authors sometimes do, for the audience at hand or the language
of the times. It only made sense to me that if the creator is just, then truth is knowable, always knowable, if one
dared seek it. As a young fellow, about 21, I went to the library, and checked out numerous bibles,
sat them side by side, and compared scripture, after having asked for the Lord's guidance because
clearly, they all couldn't be the promised preserved living word when there are so many versions.
Anybody could do that. The answer was inescapable. As to rebirth, being born again, you don't suddenly become perfect like Jesus, in fact you never do
in this life. But folks expect you think you are, or should be, mostly I/we never know what they
think, just their hostility, like herein(LOL). In any case, when one is born again, it's a growth
process, beginning with infancy requiring the milk of the word(for starters). The spirit of God
working on your innards, the spirit of man resisting. I allowed a lot, I grew slow, still aren't as
obedient or observant as I could be. That said, during this 40 year spiritual growth process, I have
reached a stage of assurance that is unshakeable. Fortunately for me, I've always wanted to know the truth(not that I've always acted upon the extent
of what I do indeed know, mind you), so when I was presented the gospel, I repented where it
counts, in my heart. What little progress I have made since was due to the grace of God, truth be
told, I've been an abstinent fuck(which I look forward to answering for, though it won't be pleasant).
See the thing is, it's like a contract, after you opt-in, you're not your own and more than once he's
brought me real low in order to regain my attention. I don't fight him as much these days but still
every truly born again Christian has two natures: the spirit of man he's born with(which cannot help
resisting God, and the Spirit of God that indwells following the sincere decision to repent and
recognize Jesus as ones only way out(in this dispensation, God has dealt with men in different ways
in other dispensations). It'll be a great day when I go home, when any Christian puts off this flesh. Chances are that'll all read like gibberish, but that's the way it is after the rebirth. It's terribly
frustrating until it finally clicks-in that the Lord has your back, and you're actually a son of God. I
mean I have complete assurance of what will happen when I die, and where I'll be thereafter. Eventually, it even seems normal to pray for your enemies and for all of what seem to be
misfortunes. Be well Peter.peaceably,
–--
“Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions.” Wm O. Douglas
“Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions.” Wm O. Douglas
posted 2012.07.31
posted on July 31st 2012
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Green Mtn
location: Observing the Progressive madness with considerably less amusement.
listening to: Grandchildren, the best reason for saving the future.
registered: 2004.04.03
posts: 2617
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So in a nutshell (Obamacare) – Marc on June 28th, 2012-
Re: So in a nutshell (Obamacare) – randym on June 28th, 2012-
Re: So in a nutshell (Obamacare) – Dan on June 28th, 2012-
Re: So in a nutshell (Obamacare) – randym on June 28th, 2012
Re: So in a nutshell (Obamacare) – Green Mtn on July 4th, 2012-
Re: So in a nutshell (Obamacare) – edlorah on July 5th, 2012-
Re: So in a nutshell (Obamacare) – cassandra on July 5th, 2012-
Re: So in a nutshell (Obamacare) – edlorah on July 5th, 2012-
Re: So in a nutshell (Obamacare) – Green Mtn on July 6th, 2012-
Re: So in a nutshell (Obamacare) – edlorah on July 6th, 2012-
Re: So in a nutshell (Obamacare) – Green Mtn on July 15th, 2012-
Re: So in a nutshell (Obamacare) – edlorah on July 15th, 2012-
Re: So in a nutshell (Obamacare) – Green Mtn on July 19th, 2012
Your Thoughts, GM – Peter T. on July 6th, 2012-
Re: Your Thoughts, GM – Dan on July 9th, 2012-
Re: Your Thoughts, GM – edlorah on July 9th, 2012
Re: Your Thoughts, GM – edlorah on July 11th, 2012-
Re: Your Thoughts, GM – Dan on July 11th, 2012-
Re: Your Thoughts, GM – edlorah on July 12th, 2012-
Re: Your Thoughts, GM – edlorah on July 12th, 2012-
We aren't here to fight, we are here to dance... – Peter T. on July 13th, 2012
Re: Your Thoughts, GM – Green Mtn on July 15th, 2012-
Re: Your Thoughts, GM – Peter T. on July 16th, 2012-
Re: Your Thoughts, GM – Green Mtn on July 19th, 2012
Re: Your Thoughts, GM – heathcliffe on July 17th, 2012-
Prescient Post? – Peter T. on July 17th, 2012
Re: Your Thoughts, GM – Green Mtn on July 19th, 2012
Jesus save me from your followers .... – edlorah on July 15th, 2012-
Re: Jesus save me from your followers .... – Green Mtn on July 19th, 2012-
Re: Jesus save me from your followers .... – edlorah on July 19th, 2012-
Re: Jesus save me from your followers .... – Andrea on July 20th, 2012-
Re: Jesus save me from your followers .... – rosskolnikov on July 21st, 2012-
Re: Jesus save me from your followers .... – heathcliffe on July 21st, 2012-
Re: Jesus save me from your followers .... – Dan on July 22nd, 2012-
Re: Jesus save me from your followers .... – heathcliffe on July 23rd, 2012-
Re: Jesus save me from your followers .... – heathcliffe on July 24th, 2012
Re: Jesus save me from your followers .... – messybear on July 25th, 2012-
Heathcliffe – Andrea on July 25th, 2012
Messybear – Peter T. on July 25th, 2012-
Peter T – messybear on July 25th, 2012
Re: Jesus save me from your followers .... – heathcliffe on July 25th, 2012-
afro our followers.... – messybear on July 29th, 2012
Re: Jesus save me from your followers .... – mick on July 23rd, 2012-
Re: Jesus save me from your followers .... – Green Mtn on July 31st, 2012-
Re: Jeez! Save me from your flowers .... – messybear on August 3rd, 2012-
Re: Jeez! Save me flowers .... – Herring405 on August 3rd, 2012
Re: Jeez! Save me from your flowers .... – Green Mtn on August 4th, 2012-
Re: Jeez! Save me from your flowers .... – Green Mtn on August 7th, 2012-
Re: Jeez! Save me from your flowers .... – messybear on August 7th, 2012
Re: Jeez! Save me from your flowers .... – mick on August 7th, 2012
Re: Your Thoughts, GM – Green Mtn on July 23rd, 2012-
Re: Your Thoughts, GM – pkjensen on July 24th, 2012-
Re: Your Thoughts, GM – pkjensen on July 26th, 2012
Re: Your Thoughts, GM – Green Mtn on July 31st, 2012-
Re: Your Thoughts, GM – pkjensen on August 1st, 2012-
Re: Your Thoughts, GM – Green Mtn on August 4th, 2012-
Re: Your Thoughts, GM – mick on August 5th, 2012
Re: Your Thoughts, GM – pkjensen on August 6th, 2012-
All this debating reminds me of this Monty Python gem: – Peter T. on August 7th, 2012
Re: Your Thoughts, GM – Green Mtn on July 31st, 2012-
Re: Your Final Thought, GM – Peter T. on July 31st, 2012-
Re: Your Final Thought, GM – Green Mtn on July 31st, 2012-
Re: Your Final Thought, GM – Peter T. on August 1st, 2012-
Re: Your Final Thought, GM – mick on August 2nd, 2012-
Re: Your Final Thought, GM – pkjensen on August 3rd, 2012-
Re: Thought.. – messybear on August 3rd, 2012
Re: Your Final Thought, GM – Green Mtn on August 4th, 2012
Re: Your Final Thought, GM – Green Mtn on August 4th, 2012-
Re: Your Final Thought, GM – Kathryn on August 5th, 2012-
Re: Your Final Thought, GM – mick on August 5th, 2012-
Re: Your Final Thought, GM – Kathryn on August 5th, 2012
Re: Out In Out, GeneralMotors – messybear on August 5th, 2012-
Re: Out In Out, GeneralMotors – mick on August 5th, 2012
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