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location: Observing the Progressive madness with considerably less amusement.
listening to: Grandchildren, the best reason for saving the future.
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I wrote what will follow today, but since it is very long, I'm going to
post it piecemeal over several days, GM.
PeterT wrote:I'm not the Bible reader that you are so bear with me. The
Jesus whom I admire is the Jesus who sides with the poor and the
outcasts. The Jesus who heals the leper and tends to the sick. Much
of what I've read of the Sermon on the Mount resonates. However,
given that the gospels were written long after Jesus was crucified,
to my mind, it's an enormous leap of faith (to say the least) to
believe that they are an accurate depiction of his life and deeds. No
disrespect, GM. I mean, I can't remember what I had for breakfast
this morning. Actually it was Bran Flakes and a banana, but you get
my point.Howdy Peter:I will bare with you, no troubles there. I hope y'know my purpose
in this conversation is to represent my Lord and to provide you
with accurate information and food for thought. Particularly where
your assumptions are inaccurate compared to what the scripture
actually says. I'm no expert, but every Christian is to give reason
of his hope and minister to the lost. I too mean no disrespect, but most of the Sermon on the Mount is
not a positive portrayal of men; it is a call, by Jesus, to Jews only, to
repent and return to God(Matt 5:17,18) on God's terms. For the
Jews, that is the Mosaic Law. The gentle Jesus of social gospel
invention, you among so many others mis-imagine, is a tool of
corporal religious organizations(with gigantic bank accounts, they
are not feeding the poor with - meaning their treasure is not put
up in heaven as Jesus instructed). They misrepresent the scripture
for their personal, political and corporate gain quite effectively; and
as such are in fact enemies of Jesus Christ. Ask the Jewish
religious leaders of his day, Jesus abhorred the traditions of men.Jesus healed those he healed for the glory of God because he came
for the Jews and because, Jews require a sign from God: one
example, the parting of the Red Sea."22": For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after
wisdom:
- 1 Cor 1How about this as one proof:"1": And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from
his birth. "2": And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this
man, or his parents, that he was born blind? "3": Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents:
but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
- gospel of John 9Again, God has universal principles, which Jesus agreed with and
adhered to, which we probably wouldn't find palatable(as I like
smoked ham and really wouldn't care for stoning anyone), that
were nonetheless widely understood among the common Israelites
during Jesus' public ministry, even to common fishermen because
they were spelt out in the Mosaic law which they studied from an
early age. In this instance: "...visiting the iniquity of the fathers
upon the children unto the third and fourth generation..." did not
apply, for a special reason. The man was blind from birth, in order
to glorify God when the word spread of Jesus restoring this man's
sight.I'm guessing, that although you would approve Jesus' action, you
didn't assume his intent as stated here. I would suggest, where the
scripture is concerned, that is the case, more often than you might
suspect. You owe it to yourself to look in to these issues for
yourself, as God instructs in his scripture.Upon closer examination of the gospels, I think you'd find that
although Jesus did heal the sick he didn't do much tending to them
and in fact allowed worshippers to attend to him, including
washing his feet and anointing him with the finest ointments; those
who offered, clearly understood Jesus to be not only the
prophesied Jewish Messiah(in the law and the prophets), but 'the'
Son of God. Which the Jewish religious leaders may not have
believed but did fear the import of, as it would threaten their
power and prestige: ""18": Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he
not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his
Father, making himself equal with God."
- gospel of John 5I have included the entire Sermon, in a separate post, so that you
can examine it more fully for yourself.
–--
“Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions.” Wm O. Douglas
“Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions.” Wm O. Douglas
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I wrote what will follow today, but since it is very long, I'm going to
post it piecemeal over several days, GM.
PeterT wrote:I'm not the Bible reader that you are so bear with me. The
Jesus whom I admire is the Jesus who sides with the poor and the
outcasts. The Jesus who heals the leper and tends to the sick. Much
of what I've read of the Sermon on the Mount resonates. However,
given that the gospels were written long after Jesus was crucified,
to my mind, it's an enormous leap of faith (to say the least) to
believe that they are an accurate depiction of his life and deeds. No
disrespect, GM. I mean, I can't remember what I had for breakfast
this morning. Actually it was Bran Flakes and a banana, but you get
my point.Howdy Peter:I will bare with you, no troubles there. I hope y'know my purpose
in this conversation is to represent my Lord and to provide you
with accurate information and food for thought. Particularly where
your assumptions are inaccurate compared to what the scripture
actually says. I'm no expert, but every Christian is to give reason
of his hope and minister to the lost. I too mean no disrespect, but most of the Sermon on the Mount is
not a positive portrayal of men; it is a call, by Jesus, to Jews only, to
repent and return to God(Matt 5:17,18) on God's terms. For the
Jews, that is the Mosaic Law. The gentle Jesus of social gospel
invention, you among so many others mis-imagine, is a tool of
corporal religious organizations(with gigantic bank accounts, they
are not feeding the poor with - meaning their treasure is not put
up in heaven as Jesus instructed). They misrepresent the scripture
for their personal, political and corporate gain quite effectively; and
as such are in fact enemies of Jesus Christ. Ask the Jewish
religious leaders of his day, Jesus abhorred the traditions of men.Jesus healed those he healed for the glory of God because he came
for the Jews and because, Jews require a sign from God: one
example, the parting of the Red Sea."22": For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after
wisdom:
- 1 Cor 1How about this as one proof:"1": And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from
his birth. "2": And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this
man, or his parents, that he was born blind? "3": Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents:
but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
- gospel of John 9Again, God has universal principles, which Jesus agreed with and
adhered to, which we probably wouldn't find palatable(as I like
smoked ham and really wouldn't care for stoning anyone), that
were nonetheless widely understood among the common Israelites
during Jesus' public ministry, even to common fishermen because
they were spelt out in the Mosaic law which they studied from an
early age. In this instance: "...visiting the iniquity of the fathers
upon the children unto the third and fourth generation..." did not
apply, for a special reason. The man was blind from birth, in order
to glorify God when the word spread of Jesus restoring this man's
sight.I'm guessing, that although you would approve Jesus' action, you
didn't assume his intent as stated here. I would suggest, where the
scripture is concerned, that is the case, more often than you might
suspect. You owe it to yourself to look in to these issues for
yourself, as God instructs in his scripture.Upon closer examination of the gospels, I think you'd find that
although Jesus did heal the sick he didn't do much tending to them
and in fact allowed worshippers to attend to him, including
washing his feet and anointing him with the finest ointments; those
who offered, clearly understood Jesus to be not only the
prophesied Jewish Messiah(in the law and the prophets), but 'the'
Son of God. Which the Jewish religious leaders may not have
believed but did fear the import of, as it would threaten their
power and prestige: ""18": Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he
not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his
Father, making himself equal with God."
- gospel of John 5I have included the entire Sermon, in a separate post, so that you
can examine it more fully for yourself.
–--
“Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions.” Wm O. Douglas
“Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions.” Wm O. Douglas
