Reg>I'd say you are lost there Greenie...let's get out the map...I'd say you are lost there Greenie...let's get out the map...I'd say you are lost there Greenie...let's get out the map...

G>Cool, maps have lines and colors and arrows and other mysterious marks. Is there stuff on both sides?!!! Didya bring colored pencils?!!! Whatdoyamean? slow down and be careful or it will tear? It was an accident, don't be mad!-)Cool, maps have lines and colors and arrows and other mysterious marks. Is there stuff on both sides?!!! Didya bring colored pencils?!!! Whatdoyamean? slow down and be careful or it will tear? It was an accident, don't be mad!-)Cool, maps have lines and colors and arrows and other mysterious marks. Is there stuff on both sides?!!! Didya bring colored pencils?!!! Whatdoyamean? slow down and be careful or it will tear? It was an accident, don't be mad!-)

>The heart of what Mr. Maher wrote is this: >For a bunch of teens raised on creationism, these red state kids today are pretty evolved -- sexually, anyway, and for that they can thank all who joined forces to try and legislate away human nature, specifically the ineluctable urge of teenagers to hump.The heart of what Mr. Maher wrote is this: >For a bunch of teens raised on creationism, these red state kids today are pretty evolved -- sexually, anyway, and for that they can thank all who joined forces to try and legislate away human nature, specifically the ineluctable urge of teenagers to hump.The heart of what Mr. Maher wrote is this: >For a bunch of teens raised on creationism, these red state kids today are pretty evolved -- sexually, anyway, and for that they can thank all who joined forces to try and legislate away human nature, specifically the ineluctable urge of teenagers to hump.For a bunch of teens raised on creationism, these red state kids today are pretty evolved -- sexually, anyway, and for that they can thank all who joined forces to try and legislate away human nature, specifically the ineluctable urge of teenagers to hump.For a bunch of teens raised on creationism, these red state kids today are pretty evolved -- sexually, anyway, and for that they can thank all who joined forces to try and legislate away human nature, specifically the ineluctable urge of teenagers to hump.

G> I don't think this covers the teheeing portion Mr Maher was going for, and which was applauded effusively, apparently. Which was what I was objecting to(in the final analysis societally), but too, illustrates the point I was making regarding the attitude of the male doggish mindset about sex generally. Couldn't you agree? I don't think this covers the teheeing portion Mr Maher was going for, and which was applauded effusively, apparently. Which was what I was objecting to(in the final analysis societally), but too, illustrates the point I was making regarding the attitude of the male doggish mindset about sex generally. Couldn't you agree? I don't think this covers the teheeing portion Mr Maher was going for, and which was applauded effusively, apparently. Which was what I was objecting to(in the final analysis societally), but too, illustrates the point I was making regarding the attitude of the male doggish mindset about sex generally. Couldn't you agree?

G>Further, did Mr Maher state his source(s) to support his contention? Which is not to say that I haven't heard these contentions elsewhere involving the society at large, where these findings were not limited to christian home schoolers. You are aware that all home schoolers are not christian. Not nearly all, they were simply leaders in the movement in that direction that now includes a million families in America.Further, did Mr Maher state his source(s) to support his contention? Which is not to say that I haven't heard these contentions elsewhere involving the society at large, where these findings were not limited to christian home schoolers. You are aware that all home schoolers are not christian. Not nearly all, they were simply leaders in the movement in that direction that now includes a million families in America.Further, did Mr Maher state his source(s) to support his contention? Which is not to say that I haven't heard these contentions elsewhere involving the society at large, where these findings were not limited to christian home schoolers. You are aware that all home schoolers are not christian. Not nearly all, they were simply leaders in the movement in that direction that now includes a million families in America.

G>Another question: do you, as you quote Mr Maher as saying, view this as evolved sexuality? On the assumption that things that evolve are improvements, do you recommend these children's behavior for every American child?Another question: do you, as you quote Mr Maher as saying, view this as evolved sexuality? On the assumption that things that evolve are improvements, do you recommend these children's behavior for every American child?Another question: do you, as you quote Mr Maher as saying, view this as evolved sexuality? On the assumption that things that evolve are improvements, do you recommend these children's behavior for every American child?

G>As to legislating away human nature: it wasn't legislation but a voluntary contract between parent and child, and isn't that what government is about in its essence anyhow, legislating levels of morality/acceptable behavior?As to legislating away human nature: it wasn't legislation but a voluntary contract between parent and child, and isn't that what government is about in its essence anyhow, legislating levels of morality/acceptable behavior?As to legislating away human nature: it wasn't legislation but a voluntary contract between parent and child, and isn't that what government is about in its essence anyhow, legislating levels of morality/acceptable behavior?

>So, I take it you don't think much of Mr. Trivers. He holds the key to this discussion, which is not really a surprise. So, I take it you don't think much of Mr. Trivers. He holds the key to this discussion, which is not really a surprise. So, I take it you don't think much of Mr. Trivers. He holds the key to this discussion, which is not really a surprise.

G>Apart from your previous post I am practically speaking, unfamiliar with Mr Trivers, so I can't say as I know what to think of him, or even dispute/agree whether Mr Trivers holds the key to this discussion. In addition, I thought I lent an article that appeared to me to support Mr Trivers position. Was I mistaken?Apart from your previous post I am practically speaking, unfamiliar with Mr Trivers, so I can't say as I know what to think of him, or even dispute/agree whether Mr Trivers holds the key to this discussion. In addition, I thought I lent an article that appeared to me to support Mr Trivers position. Was I mistaken?Apart from your previous post I am practically speaking, unfamiliar with Mr Trivers, so I can't say as I know what to think of him, or even dispute/agree whether Mr Trivers holds the key to this discussion. In addition, I thought I lent an article that appeared to me to support Mr Trivers position. Was I mistaken?

>The other side of this is the unfortunate way in which you have chosen to view our species. I'd say you find us all a bit disgusting...please correct me if I'm wrong. The other side of this is the unfortunate way in which you have chosen to view our species. I'd say you find us all a bit disgusting...please correct me if I'm wrong. The other side of this is the unfortunate way in which you have chosen to view our species. I'd say you find us all a bit disgusting...please correct me if I'm wrong.

G>Y'know, my Mrs said I was being much too kind comparing men's sexual proclivities to dogs. She says the females of her experience would more readily choose a barn yard animal. After my sterling defense of porkers everywhere, she conceded that the MO of a dog is more apt in practice. (always sniffing around, ready &...)Y'know, my Mrs said I was being much too kind comparing men's sexual proclivities to dogs. She says the females of her experience would more readily choose a barn yard animal. After my sterling defense of porkers everywhere, she conceded that the MO of a dog is more apt in practice. (always sniffing around, ready &...)Y'know, my Mrs said I was being much too kind comparing men's sexual proclivities to dogs. She says the females of her experience would more readily choose a barn yard animal. After my sterling defense of porkers everywhere, she conceded that the MO of a dog is more apt in practice. (always sniffing around, ready &...)

G>'What is', is my interest Reg. Please stay focused, I am not the one drifting from the topic, as you know I was referring to the male 48% of our species general behavior, outlook and desire. As evidenced by the laughter(undoubtedly all across american-I mean, considering what you are defending:). G>I am not arguing that there isn't tragic irony, and thus a dark humor, in Mr Mahers presentation. I love dark humor, there's often extreme honesty in it. As in this instance, it can be a wonderful means of illustrating a point shockingly. I'm not even saying I wouldn't have laughed, just that in its result, it is definitely not funny. Or encouraging, except for a bunch of men wishing they could get in on this action.'What is', is my interest Reg. Please stay focused, I am not the one drifting from the topic, as you know I was referring to the male 48% of our species general behavior, outlook and desire. As evidenced by the laughter(undoubtedly all across american-I mean, considering what you are defending:). G>I am not arguing that there isn't tragic irony, and thus a dark humor, in Mr Mahers presentation. I love dark humor, there's often extreme honesty in it. As in this instance, it can be a wonderful means of illustrating a point shockingly. I'm not even saying I wouldn't have laughed, just that in its result, it is definitely not funny. Or encouraging, except for a bunch of men wishing they could get in on this action.'What is', is my interest Reg. Please stay focused, I am not the one drifting from the topic, as you know I was referring to the male 48% of our species general behavior, outlook and desire. As evidenced by the laughter(undoubtedly all across american-I mean, considering what you are defending:). G>I am not arguing that there isn't tragic irony, and thus a dark humor, in Mr Mahers presentation. I love dark humor, there's often extreme honesty in it. As in this instance, it can be a wonderful means of illustrating a point shockingly. I'm not even saying I wouldn't have laughed, just that in its result, it is definitely not funny. Or encouraging, except for a bunch of men wishing they could get in on this action.I am not arguing that there isn't tragic irony, and thus a dark humor, in Mr Mahers presentation. I love dark humor, there's often extreme honesty in it. As in this instance, it can be a wonderful means of illustrating a point shockingly. I'm not even saying I wouldn't have laughed, just that in its result, it is definitely not funny. Or encouraging, except for a bunch of men wishing they could get in on this action.I am not arguing that there isn't tragic irony, and thus a dark humor, in Mr Mahers presentation. I love dark humor, there's often extreme honesty in it. As in this instance, it can be a wonderful means of illustrating a point shockingly. I'm not even saying I wouldn't have laughed, just that in its result, it is definitely not funny. Or encouraging, except for a bunch of men wishing they could get in on this action.

G>OTOH, would you agree that, in the final analysis!, on an individual basis, whether or not someone you care about could possibly be concerned(even culturally), that Mr Maher's presentation was not for the purpose of education, or sadness, or to offer solution, but was in fact: to incite his hand picked guests; thus appealing to 'his'* audiences sensibility; whose predictable reaction was laughter rather than a noble groan, in order to help sustain his paychecks. (Again illustrating my thesis that men desire to be dogs sexually-I would have used bunnies, but they are too cute.)OTOH, would you agree that, in the final analysis!, on an individual basis, whether or not someone you care about could possibly be concerned(even culturally), that Mr Maher's presentation was not for the purpose of education, or sadness, or to offer solution, but was in fact: to incite his hand picked guests; thus appealing to 'his'* audiences sensibility; whose predictable reaction was laughter rather than a noble groan, in order to help sustain his paychecks. (Again illustrating my thesis that men desire to be dogs sexually-I would have used bunnies, but they are too cute.)OTOH, would you agree that, in the final analysis!, on an individual basis, whether or not someone you care about could possibly be concerned(even culturally), that Mr Maher's presentation was not for the purpose of education, or sadness, or to offer solution, but was in fact: to incite his hand picked guests; thus appealing to 'his'* audiences sensibility; whose predictable reaction was laughter rather than a noble groan, in order to help sustain his paychecks. (Again illustrating my thesis that men desire to be dogs sexually-I would have used bunnies, but they are too cute.)

G>With that stipulated, aren't men disgusting Reg? Certainly we both could point to all sorts of disgusting(not sexually related) behavior on mens part, or there would be no need for the proverbs about 'mens inhumanity to man', etc. I mean screw the history of men we are clear about, how many disgusting acts were perpetrated this week, in the name of all sorts of good sounding causes.With that stipulated, aren't men disgusting Reg? Certainly we both could point to all sorts of disgusting(not sexually related) behavior on mens part, or there would be no need for the proverbs about 'mens inhumanity to man', etc. I mean screw the history of men we are clear about, how many disgusting acts were perpetrated this week, in the name of all sorts of good sounding causes.With that stipulated, aren't men disgusting Reg? Certainly we both could point to all sorts of disgusting(not sexually related) behavior on mens part, or there would be no need for the proverbs about 'mens inhumanity to man', etc. I mean screw the history of men we are clear about, how many disgusting acts were perpetrated this week, in the name of all sorts of good sounding causes.

>We are a noble beast...but a beast still. We are a noble beast...but a beast still. We are a noble beast...but a beast still.

G>The only noble people in that audience were those that were offended. Surely you disagree.The only noble people in that audience were those that were offended. Surely you disagree.The only noble people in that audience were those that were offended. Surely you disagree.

>We may strive to rise above that...We may strive to rise above that...We may strive to rise above that...

G>Some do, sure.Some do, sure.Some do, sure.

>which adds to our nobility...which adds to our nobility...which adds to our nobility...

G>You're grading on a curve. Giving too much credit for too little effort.You're grading on a curve. Giving too much credit for too little effort.You're grading on a curve. Giving too much credit for too little effort.

>but we can't remove the "dog" from what we are and why should we?but we can't remove the "dog" from what we are and why should we?but we can't remove the "dog" from what we are and why should we?

G>For the sake of our children, or perhaps, to discourage unhealthy practices.For the sake of our children, or perhaps, to discourage unhealthy practices.For the sake of our children, or perhaps, to discourage unhealthy practices.

>To please our God? To please our God? To please our God?

G>Most of people are pleasing our their God.Most of people are pleasing our their God.Most of people are pleasing our their God.

>Seems silly does it not? Why not revel in what we are? Seems silly does it not? Why not revel in what we are? Seems silly does it not? Why not revel in what we are?

G>The audience was. Thanks for making my point again Reg. What they were cheering for and why, was/is disgusting, often with a diseased result that no sane person would hope for their child, grandchild, what have you.The audience was. Thanks for making my point again Reg. What they were cheering for and why, was/is disgusting, often with a diseased result that no sane person would hope for their child, grandchild, what have you.The audience was. Thanks for making my point again Reg. What they were cheering for and why, was/is disgusting, often with a diseased result that no sane person would hope for their child, grandchild, what have you.

>Will this anger the Gods?Will this anger the Gods?Will this anger the Gods?

G>Apparently, not yours. Mine will have some questions when he opens the books to judge mens souls.Apparently, not yours. Mine will have some questions when he opens the books to judge mens souls.Apparently, not yours. Mine will have some questions when he opens the books to judge mens souls.

>I'm not even sure what your gripe is here Greenie...I'm not even sure what your gripe is here Greenie...I'm not even sure what your gripe is here Greenie...

That is obvious. And has been spoke to here and elsewhere. In fact, I believe my previous had the best synopsis, one paragraph.

>that what Maher wrote is not funny? that what Maher wrote is not funny? that what Maher wrote is not funny?

G>It's dark irony. It's fine except that his emphasis was glorifying I wouldn't hope upon anyones child.It's dark irony. It's fine except that his emphasis was glorifying I wouldn't hope upon anyones child.It's dark irony. It's fine except that his emphasis was glorifying I wouldn't hope upon anyones child.

>Isn't that in the eye of the beholder?Isn't that in the eye of the beholder?Isn't that in the eye of the beholder?

G>yeAH?yeAH?yeAH?

>Anyway, I think he's giving the finger to a certain group of people...Anyway, I think he's giving the finger to a certain group of people...Anyway, I think he's giving the finger to a certain group of people...

G>Absolutely.Absolutely.Absolutely.

>not celebrating or having a laugh at teen sex...not celebrating or having a laugh at teen sex...not celebrating or having a laugh at teen sex...

G>If you say so.If you say so.If you say so.

>the message is you can pretend you are not what you are all you want it'll only fuck you up six ways from Sunday...the message is you can pretend you are not what you are all you want it'll only fuck you up six ways from Sunday...the message is you can pretend you are not what you are all you want it'll only fuck you up six ways from Sunday...

G>The primary message was to slam creationism, and thus the Creator, and people who trust in his son, christians. This joke wouldn't have worked nearly as well if it had been presented as a societal problem which is purported to be rampant in public schools too, which it is. To a lesser degree it is glorifying, & thus encouraging, these children dishonoring themselves. Lastly, the reason you propose was probably thrown in so as not to appear approving while being true. Human nature is beastly.The primary message was to slam creationism, and thus the Creator, and people who trust in his son, christians. This joke wouldn't have worked nearly as well if it had been presented as a societal problem which is purported to be rampant in public schools too, which it is. To a lesser degree it is glorifying, & thus encouraging, these children dishonoring themselves. Lastly, the reason you propose was probably thrown in so as not to appear approving while being true. Human nature is beastly.The primary message was to slam creationism, and thus the Creator, and people who trust in his son, christians. This joke wouldn't have worked nearly as well if it had been presented as a societal problem which is purported to be rampant in public schools too, which it is. To a lesser degree it is glorifying, & thus encouraging, these children dishonoring themselves. Lastly, the reason you propose was probably thrown in so as not to appear approving while being true. Human nature is beastly.

>as will being forced or encouraged to play by someone else's radically flawed rule book.as will being forced or encouraged to play by someone else's radically flawed rule book.as will being forced or encouraged to play by someone else's radically flawed rule book.

G>Not sure what you mean here? I would suggest however, as with non christian home schoolers, public school children and dropouts who practice these forms of approved safe sex, that popular culture certainly played a roll in normalizing these results. It's been a topic of conversation since Lewinsky.Not sure what you mean here? I would suggest however, as with non christian home schoolers, public school children and dropouts who practice these forms of approved safe sex, that popular culture certainly played a roll in normalizing these results. It's been a topic of conversation since Lewinsky.Not sure what you mean here? I would suggest however, as with non christian home schoolers, public school children and dropouts who practice these forms of approved safe sex, that popular culture certainly played a roll in normalizing these results. It's been a topic of conversation since Lewinsky.

G>Too, were the women in the audience who laughed along empowering women everywhere?Too, were the women in the audience who laughed along empowering women everywhere?Too, were the women in the audience who laughed along empowering women everywhere?

Always a pleasure Reg,

truly-)

Montag

ps I'm truly surprised you fall for that Red Blue diversion tactic.

pss For the record, I watched Politically Incorrect, and thought Bill didn't deserve to be fired. What happened to him and the Chicks and others should be alarming Americans(but it ain't to the point of action-again illustrating our herdable beastly nature).

*people of a predictably similar mindset as Bill Maher