There are just some Trump supporters that are unreachable for some reason.  It is almost like some sort of neurotic or pathological thing.  If in our lifetimes if there is one politician that should bear universal repudiation it is Donald Trump.  This man is a historical grifter, liar, immoral human, and criminal - oh, and incompetent - but somehow his followers are blind to the truth and facts.  Frankly, it's like trying to force change someone's sexuality - it just can't be done.

Now, on the other hand, I bet that Pat is like Ted Nugent - a very interesting person to sit down and have a beer or iced tea with so long as certain topics are avoided. 

Personally, I bear no ill will toward Pat and love to think about one day being in the presence of so many of the DBISers to just bullshit and Pat would be one of those people.