Green Mtn
location: Observing the Progressive madness with considerably less amusement.
listening to: Grandchildren, the best reason for saving the future.
registered: 2004.04.03
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While I tend to agree with Marc, I take exception with the notion of sensible gun laws - show me one, including confiscation, which has kept firearms out of the hand of the insane or those of purely criminal intent. There is no such creature: either you live in a society where adulthood is permissible and responsible personal behavior is allowed and expected, or, you live in a state of measured incompetence requiring the perpetual nanny of the state. There is either a 2nd Amendment as it stands(per the Swiss model, which includes state militia's per the US Constitution), or there is complete confiscation that the remainder of the so called civilized world practices*(while having no less violent crime - which is simply perpetrated by other means: knives, machetes, tire irons, brass knuckles, clubs, rocks, wire clothes hangers, hammers, rope, rolls of quarters, allow your imagination roam). Neither side should compromise, nor do those bent on confiscation; only the second amendment supporters have accepted compromise as evidenced by the thousands of ineffective gun/ammunition restrictive laws. Empirically, these laws DO NOT WORK, and have never worked. Consider Chicago as but one recent and glaring example. And who suffers, those without equally effective tool(s) to defend themselves, their neighbors, strangers being accosted... or intimidate attackers.
* keeping in mind that the weapons in the hands of ISIS/ISIL, as well as street gangs, are provided by global powers**, precision weaponry doesn't grow on trees
** lest we forget who was behind Fast & Furious, that being a US DOJ sanctioned program (with the admitted intent of implicating the 2nd Amendment for the purpose of enacting more guns laws, with confiscation as the end game). Eric Holder is on record, certainly with audio, calling for incessant repetition of anti-gun messaging for the public at large, including in classrooms of uncomprehending & undiscerning children (Big Brother public policy programming 101).
The simple fact of the matter, as proven by the passage of the past two decades of concealed carry laws, is that gun violence has decreased* in those states where such laws were enacted; the corollary conclusion is empirically unavoidable - state by state. Why? because human nature informs us that criminals and madmen don't want to risk an armed honest person, they just want an easy score. Furthermore, confiscatory statist gun laws are in place in the vast majority of mass shootings sites of recent decades: aka, Gun Free Zones, aka shooting galleries where children and other unarmed individuals are unable to threaten the shooter, who is therefore unabashed in their singularly insane behavior.
* http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/gun-deaths-down-30/article/2574770
check out the data from the FBI and the Pew Research Center
Guns are a tool. A tool by the way -in the hands of responsible law abiding citizens- which annually prevents upwards of two million reported criminal acts upon innocents who were otherwise minding there own business.
The question isn't whether you are responsible but whether you believe you have responsible peers, essentially strangers, who would do right by you were you threatened by some opportunistic criminal or mentally deficit madman whacked out on antidepressant(s), i.e., serotonin reuptake inhibitor(s) (SRI) which is generally unreported that the shooters are in fact on, or more often, have recently ceased consuming prior to the unfortunate incident. Too, considering Law Enforcement officers are not required according to SCOTUS to actually Protect & Serve(decision after decision which can be provided)- and patrolmen inevitably arrive well after a crime occurs(just ask EEE if it's a mystery to your personal experience), shouldn't you be prepared to take responsibility for yourself?
Why is it that Statists(of whatever stripe) don't trust individuals to protect themselves? Aren't you otherwise held responsible, say if you don't pay your taxes, or, look how the local government loses its sense of humor if you neglect to pay a parking ticket? I'd suggest you take your own protection, into your own hands, as David does. He's also admitted protecting other innocents who were about to be violated outside his work place. He's a responsible man, that's what we do. Which is to say, Grow Up and see the world for what it is, AND APPRECIATE!, YES APPRECIATE the fact that you still have the right in the US to protect yourself, AND OTHERS, from the scum of the earth, who like other common predators, are ever looking for an easy meal(score/Mark).
peaceably
[no pun intended Marc]
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“Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions.” Wm O. Douglas
“Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions.” Wm O. Douglas
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While I tend to agree with Marc, I take exception with the notion of sensible gun laws - show me one, including confiscation, which has kept firearms out of the hand of the insane or those of purely criminal intent. There is no such creature: either you live in a society where adulthood is permissible and responsible personal behavior is allowed and expected, or, you live in a state of measured incompetence requiring the perpetual nanny of the state. There is either a 2nd Amendment as it stands(per the Swiss model, which includes state militia's per the US Constitution), or there is complete confiscation that the remainder of the so called civilized world practices*(while having no less violent crime - which is simply perpetrated by other means: knives, machetes, tire irons, brass knuckles, clubs, rocks, wire clothes hangers, hammers, rope, rolls of quarters, allow your imagination roam). Neither side should compromise, nor do those bent on confiscation; only the second amendment supporters have accepted compromise as evidenced by the thousands of ineffective gun/ammunition restrictive laws. Empirically, these laws DO NOT WORK, and have never worked. Consider Chicago as but one recent and glaring example. And who suffers, those without equally effective tool(s) to defend themselves, their neighbors, strangers being accosted... or intimidate attackers.
* keeping in mind that the weapons in the hands of ISIS/ISIL, as well as street gangs, are provided by global powers**, precision weaponry doesn't grow on trees
** lest we forget who was behind Fast & Furious, that being a US DOJ sanctioned program (with the admitted intent of implicating the 2nd Amendment for the purpose of enacting more guns laws, with confiscation as the end game). Eric Holder is on record, certainly with audio, calling for incessant repetition of anti-gun messaging for the public at large, including in classrooms of uncomprehending & undiscerning children (Big Brother public policy programming 101).
The simple fact of the matter, as proven by the passage of the past two decades of concealed carry laws, is that gun violence has decreased* in those states where such laws were enacted; the corollary conclusion is empirically unavoidable - state by state. Why? because human nature informs us that criminals and madmen don't want to risk an armed honest person, they just want an easy score. Furthermore, confiscatory statist gun laws are in place in the vast majority of mass shootings sites of recent decades: aka, Gun Free Zones, aka shooting galleries where children and other unarmed individuals are unable to threaten the shooter, who is therefore unabashed in their singularly insane behavior.
* http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/gun-deaths-down-30/article/2574770
check out the data from the FBI and the Pew Research Center
Guns are a tool. A tool by the way -in the hands of responsible law abiding citizens- which annually prevents upwards of two million reported criminal acts upon innocents who were otherwise minding there own business.
The question isn't whether you are responsible but whether you believe you have responsible peers, essentially strangers, who would do right by you were you threatened by some opportunistic criminal or mentally deficit madman whacked out on antidepressant(s), i.e., serotonin reuptake inhibitor(s) (SRI) which is generally unreported that the shooters are in fact on, or more often, have recently ceased consuming prior to the unfortunate incident. Too, considering Law Enforcement officers are not required according to SCOTUS to actually Protect & Serve(decision after decision which can be provided)- and patrolmen inevitably arrive well after a crime occurs(just ask EEE if it's a mystery to your personal experience), shouldn't you be prepared to take responsibility for yourself?
Why is it that Statists(of whatever stripe) don't trust individuals to protect themselves? Aren't you otherwise held responsible, say if you don't pay your taxes, or, look how the local government loses its sense of humor if you neglect to pay a parking ticket? I'd suggest you take your own protection, into your own hands, as David does. He's also admitted protecting other innocents who were about to be violated outside his work place. He's a responsible man, that's what we do. Which is to say, Grow Up and see the world for what it is, AND APPRECIATE!, YES APPRECIATE the fact that you still have the right in the US to protect yourself, AND OTHERS, from the scum of the earth, who like other common predators, are ever looking for an easy meal(score/Mark).
peaceably
[no pun intended Marc]
–--
“Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions.” Wm O. Douglas
“Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions.” Wm O. Douglas
