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I honesty don't know, Ross, but the word is they do not have religion listed. Most people think it's
the name thing because in school I guess he was known (and listed in his high school yearbook) as
Barry Obama. Now, if it is the name all of the wacko talk show freaks will go apeshit about the fact
that he changed his name, just like they went nuts about Wright, Ayers, etc...it'll be dumb and
ignorant and it'll create another storm for him to weather. Great! Like what if his birth certificate
lists him as Barry Stanley Dunham? Holy cow! The freaks will foam at the mouth screaming about
him now being Barack Hussein Obama! Can't you hear the screams?"Why did he change his name? He's the Manchurian candidate! He wants to destroy America!"I suppose I should be looking for the humor in this. Maybe he's playing them all for fools and he's
holding his birth certificate back to let them go nuts about it and when he puts it out there is
nothing on it that's odd...who knows...this process is so stupid and insane.Yet, in a funny way every election brings new hope too. -----------------
Friedman: Obama's nomination triggers surprise, optimism in EgyptThomas Friedman
The New York Times6/12/2008 12:00:00 AM MDT
CAIRO, Egypt - This column will probably get Barack Obama in trouble, but that's not my problem.
I cannot tell a lie: Many Egyptians and other Arab Muslims really like him and hope that he wins the
presidency.
I have had a chance to observe several U.S. elections from abroad, but it has been unusually
revealing to be in Egypt as Barack Hussein Obama became the Democrats' nominee for president of
the United States.
While Obama, who was raised a Christian, is constantly assuring Americans that he is not a
Muslim, Egyptians are amazed, excited and agog that America might elect a black man whose
father's family was of Muslim heritage. They don't really understand Obama's family tree, but what
they do know is that if America - despite being attacked by Muslim militants on 9/11 - were to
elect as its president some guy with the middle name ''Hussein,'' it would mark a sea change in
America-Muslim world relations.
Every interview seems to end with the person I was interviewing asking me: ''Now, can I ask you a
question? Obama? Do you think they will let him win?'' (It's always ''let him win'' not just ''win.'')
It would not be an exaggeration to say that the Democrats' nomination of Obama as their
candidate for president has done more to improve America's image abroad - an image dented by
the Iraq war, President Bush's invocation of a post-9/11 ''crusade,'' Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay
and the xenophobic opposition to Dubai Ports World managing U.S. harbors - than the entire Bush
public diplomacy effort for seven years.
Of course, Egyptians still have their grievances with America, and will in the future no matter who
is president - and we've got a few grievances with them, too. But every once in a while, America
does something so radical, so out of the ordinary - something that old, encrusted, traditional
societies like those in the Middle East could simply never imagine - that it revives America's
revolutionary ''brand'' overseas in a way that no diplomat could have designed or planned.
I just had dinner at a Nile-side restaurant with two Egyptian officials and a businessman, and one
of them quoted one of his children as asking: ''Could something like this ever happen in Egypt?''
And the answer from everyone at the table was, of course, ''no.'' It couldn't happen anywhere in this
region. Could a Copt become president of Egypt? Not a chance. Could a Shiite become the leader of
Saudi Arabia? Not in a hundred years. A Bahai president of Iran? In your dreams. Here, the past
always buries the future, not the other way around.
These Egyptian officials were particularly excited about Obama's nomination because it might
mean that being labeled a ''pro-American'' reformer is no longer an insult here, as it has been in
recent years. As one U.S. diplomat put it to me: Obama's demeanor suggests to foreigners that he
would not only listen to what they have to say but might even take it into account. They anticipate
that a U.S. president who spent part of his life looking at America from the outside in will be much
more attuned to global trends.
Yes, all of this Obama-mania is excessive and will inevitably be punctured should he win the
presidency and start making tough calls or big mistakes. For now, though, what it reveals is how
much many foreigners, after all the acrimony of the Bush years, still hunger for the ''idea of
America'' - this open, optimistic, and, indeed, revolutionary, place so radically different from their
own societies.
In his history of 19th-century America, What Hath God Wrought, Daniel Walker Howe quotes
Ralph Waldo Emerson as telling a meeting of the Mercantile Library Association in 1844 that
''America is the country of the future. It is a country of beginnings, of projects, of vast designs and
expectations.''
That's the America that got swallowed by the war on terrorism. And it's the America that many
people want back. I have no idea whether Obama will win in November. Whether he does or
doesn't, though, the mere fact of his nomination has done something very important. We've
surprised ourselves and surprised the world, and in so doing, reminded everyone that we are still a
country of new beginnings.
–--
'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
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I honesty don't know, Ross, but the word is they do not have religion listed. Most people think it's
the name thing because in school I guess he was known (and listed in his high school yearbook) as
Barry Obama. Now, if it is the name all of the wacko talk show freaks will go apeshit about the fact
that he changed his name, just like they went nuts about Wright, Ayers, etc...it'll be dumb and
ignorant and it'll create another storm for him to weather. Great! Like what if his birth certificate
lists him as Barry Stanley Dunham? Holy cow! The freaks will foam at the mouth screaming about
him now being Barack Hussein Obama! Can't you hear the screams?"Why did he change his name? He's the Manchurian candidate! He wants to destroy America!"I suppose I should be looking for the humor in this. Maybe he's playing them all for fools and he's
holding his birth certificate back to let them go nuts about it and when he puts it out there is
nothing on it that's odd...who knows...this process is so stupid and insane.Yet, in a funny way every election brings new hope too. -----------------
Friedman: Obama's nomination triggers surprise, optimism in EgyptThomas Friedman
The New York Times6/12/2008 12:00:00 AM MDT
CAIRO, Egypt - This column will probably get Barack Obama in trouble, but that's not my problem.
I cannot tell a lie: Many Egyptians and other Arab Muslims really like him and hope that he wins the
presidency.
I have had a chance to observe several U.S. elections from abroad, but it has been unusually
revealing to be in Egypt as Barack Hussein Obama became the Democrats' nominee for president of
the United States.
While Obama, who was raised a Christian, is constantly assuring Americans that he is not a
Muslim, Egyptians are amazed, excited and agog that America might elect a black man whose
father's family was of Muslim heritage. They don't really understand Obama's family tree, but what
they do know is that if America - despite being attacked by Muslim militants on 9/11 - were to
elect as its president some guy with the middle name ''Hussein,'' it would mark a sea change in
America-Muslim world relations.
Every interview seems to end with the person I was interviewing asking me: ''Now, can I ask you a
question? Obama? Do you think they will let him win?'' (It's always ''let him win'' not just ''win.'')
It would not be an exaggeration to say that the Democrats' nomination of Obama as their
candidate for president has done more to improve America's image abroad - an image dented by
the Iraq war, President Bush's invocation of a post-9/11 ''crusade,'' Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay
and the xenophobic opposition to Dubai Ports World managing U.S. harbors - than the entire Bush
public diplomacy effort for seven years.
Of course, Egyptians still have their grievances with America, and will in the future no matter who
is president - and we've got a few grievances with them, too. But every once in a while, America
does something so radical, so out of the ordinary - something that old, encrusted, traditional
societies like those in the Middle East could simply never imagine - that it revives America's
revolutionary ''brand'' overseas in a way that no diplomat could have designed or planned.
I just had dinner at a Nile-side restaurant with two Egyptian officials and a businessman, and one
of them quoted one of his children as asking: ''Could something like this ever happen in Egypt?''
And the answer from everyone at the table was, of course, ''no.'' It couldn't happen anywhere in this
region. Could a Copt become president of Egypt? Not a chance. Could a Shiite become the leader of
Saudi Arabia? Not in a hundred years. A Bahai president of Iran? In your dreams. Here, the past
always buries the future, not the other way around.
These Egyptian officials were particularly excited about Obama's nomination because it might
mean that being labeled a ''pro-American'' reformer is no longer an insult here, as it has been in
recent years. As one U.S. diplomat put it to me: Obama's demeanor suggests to foreigners that he
would not only listen to what they have to say but might even take it into account. They anticipate
that a U.S. president who spent part of his life looking at America from the outside in will be much
more attuned to global trends.
Yes, all of this Obama-mania is excessive and will inevitably be punctured should he win the
presidency and start making tough calls or big mistakes. For now, though, what it reveals is how
much many foreigners, after all the acrimony of the Bush years, still hunger for the ''idea of
America'' - this open, optimistic, and, indeed, revolutionary, place so radically different from their
own societies.
In his history of 19th-century America, What Hath God Wrought, Daniel Walker Howe quotes
Ralph Waldo Emerson as telling a meeting of the Mercantile Library Association in 1844 that
''America is the country of the future. It is a country of beginnings, of projects, of vast designs and
expectations.''
That's the America that got swallowed by the war on terrorism. And it's the America that many
people want back. I have no idea whether Obama will win in November. Whether he does or
doesn't, though, the mere fact of his nomination has done something very important. We've
surprised ourselves and surprised the world, and in so doing, reminded everyone that we are still a
country of new beginnings.
–--
'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
