Thanks Block!

I am not familiar with Carlos Marighella but my first question would be who was supporting him financially? Who made him a public figure? Or at least how that came about?

My point is not to kick the legs out from under his deductions but rather promote the search for the back story of who payed to have those ideas reach the world at large. Whose agenda was being fulfilled. (Keeping in mind that Saddam and so many others were recruited and trained by purportedly American elements(meaning, agencies loyal to Americans).

Too I am reminded of EEE's post of some months ago regarding how the Brit gov was infiltrating the IRA and some of the worst instigators were the Brits themselves, as an outgrowth of tactics developed and employed in India. Meaning the IRA or Sein Fein(correct my errors Mick:) took the bad press for how much they were convinced by their enemies agents to carry out. (Not unlike these periodic terrorist outfits the FBI turns out to be pushing and funding, as in the fellows down in Florida(OR TORONTO); but the truth of those incidents don't receive the BIG media SPLASH when the truth comes out at some point in their aftermath, so the desired fear mongering is achieved(& that, my dear friends, is mass psychology in action~!!!).

Or how about Gloria Steinim admitting her whole schtick was being fed to her by elements of the USG(CIA was it?).

See I have no argument with the proposition you put forward. I am simply saying prominent elements of the USG were behind 9/11 because they had a foreign policy initiative they wanted to get moving.

So I would guess, we're more or less in agreement on your point, regardless of who either of us point the finger at as the actual terrorists, that the terrorists did achieve their goal. My view being it was done not to protest a policy(hating our freedoms, being an idiotic PR smokescreen it was rightly predetermined the US public would swallow) but rather to create a broad policy, including DHS and all the Constitution diminishing crap that's come in the name of protecting us from terrorist. (which should be obvious to everyone, the deaf and dumb included, is pure horseshit with the borders wide open like they are)

I don't really have time to read such works as Chalmers, so I am mighty grateful for such synopsis as you and others provide Block.

"It has always infuriated me that the USG has never attempted to discuss the policy issues beyond that soundbyte method."

Or how about Rudy's attack on Ron Paul for speaking to those specifics, as spelled out throughout many portions of officialdom. Meaning I share your frustration, almost on a daily basis with folks who should be able to see through such blatant dissembling. That we might begin to correct these problems(our national leadership) and get this nation moving back toward the birthright of our Constitutional liberties rather on into the Fascist night to which said leadership is steering our nation

Thanks again for the 2nd attempt!

peaceably