"I'm not real sure about the whole Samsara deal but I'm a no guru, no method, no teacher kinda guy so take that for what it's worth" Reg you're either really ahead of me on that of just plain lazy...of course one discards the boat that carries one across the river once one has reached the other side, alternately one has yet to start rowing.

Each method, guru and teacher ultimately has to be discarded AFTER THEY HAVE OUTLIVED THEIR RELEVANCE...not before. It is up to you to decide whether you are in the before or after state. I myself am in the 'during' phase with Mahayana...catching up to Brad who is Vajrayana...running from Pat, Kevin G who are Hinayana

...I think wisdom is wisdom no matter where it hides and as ol' Mr. Trivers (who he?) might say being what we are we need a little physical feedback to...ahhhhhh...keep it real. Behave So, as I see it we have no choice but to scrap a little with our fellow beings in the course of getting to...well...know thyself. (Yeah, yeah, yeah - intention is everything and it may come across as something different in cyberspace - see Al's confusion over Kevin's post of last weekend) Thak you Reg thank you man Sinfuckingcerley.