Dave Tahija
location: Butte, Montana, en route from San Francisco to Juneau
listening to: Train - Save me, San Francisco
registered: 1999.12.27
posts: 261
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I won't get into the more recent things; I'll just set out some
historic facts concerning your first items.Germany did not physically attack the U.S., true, but did
declare war on the U.S. as soon as Pearl Harbor occured,
before the U.S. acted. Germany and Japan were in an alliance
such that a Japanese attack constituted one by Germany.If any one President could be said to have started the Viet
Nam conflict, it would be Eisenhower. He took it over from
the French and American advisers were in the country from
then on. Kennedy continued his policy. Similarly, Johnson
can hardly be accused of creating a quagmire there; it had
been a quagmire for the French and was for the U.S. from the
very beginning. A succession of Presidents, Democrat and
Republican, continued to back the war there because they
couldn't find an 'honorable' way to get out. Of course, there
was no 'honorable' way out, as Nixon demonstrated.I suggest you read 'The March of Folly' by Barbara Tuchman,
which describes the Viet Nam experience along with other
great follies, including the loss of the American colonies by
the British and the Reformation, caused by the hubris of a
succession of Popes. Although some have suggested that the
American adventure in Iraq falls in this tradition, by
Tuchman's definition it does not, yet. For it to be a Folly on
her scale, a succession of U.S. administrations would have to
stagger on this course.
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Dave Tahija
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I won't get into the more recent things; I'll just set out some
historic facts concerning your first items.Germany did not physically attack the U.S., true, but did
declare war on the U.S. as soon as Pearl Harbor occured,
before the U.S. acted. Germany and Japan were in an alliance
such that a Japanese attack constituted one by Germany.If any one President could be said to have started the Viet
Nam conflict, it would be Eisenhower. He took it over from
the French and American advisers were in the country from
then on. Kennedy continued his policy. Similarly, Johnson
can hardly be accused of creating a quagmire there; it had
been a quagmire for the French and was for the U.S. from the
very beginning. A succession of Presidents, Democrat and
Republican, continued to back the war there because they
couldn't find an 'honorable' way to get out. Of course, there
was no 'honorable' way out, as Nixon demonstrated.I suggest you read 'The March of Folly' by Barbara Tuchman,
which describes the Viet Nam experience along with other
great follies, including the loss of the American colonies by
the British and the Reformation, caused by the hubris of a
succession of Popes. Although some have suggested that the
American adventure in Iraq falls in this tradition, by
Tuchman's definition it does not, yet. For it to be a Folly on
her scale, a succession of U.S. administrations would have to
stagger on this course.
