>>A question for everyone, how far should Gore take this >>dispute, especially the Palm Beach ballots?
Can I say upfront that I would be ready to roll with whoever the final result favours. But a number of thoughts have struck me since I last posted. Respond to as many or as few as you see fit...!
1. James Baker 3rd - If the Gore team can cleanly pull it out of the bag with JB3 as the chief negotiator for the Republican delegation, then perhaps Gore finally `deserves` the post of President. Personally, I can't see that there are any Democratic players who could match him and I could feasibly see JB3 pulling it out of the bag for GWB by Monday at the latest.
2. The Democratic Legal Team - If the Gore team can't cleanly pull it out of the bag by the end of today with a whole squad of lawyers on the job, then I would suggest that the honourable thing to do for Gore is to conceed. If his managers have any sense, they'll shut their spinners and talkers up and let the results happen. But clearly Gore is so anxious to get in, he can't do that, and Jesse Jackson is down there troublemaking on his behalf.
Let's be honest folks, both campaigns undershot and overestimated. Bush should have chased the Michigan/PA/ FLA triangle as well as the heartlands. Gore should have made a stronger chase for the heartlands as well as the triangle. Both men thought that their plan plus one would eek them over the line but they are now gridlocked. If Gore was as good as he says he is, he would have nailed it down.
If Gore hadn't of made such an ass out of himself in the debates and played a clean game, he would have been at the point where he could of chased Florida even harder and with reasonable favour from all sides. But because of the showmanship of the debates and the fear-mongering on the last leg of the campaign, his people have painted him as a hysterical little girl trying to kick GWB in the shins.
3. The Electoral College - The Democrats knew from the get-go that their role was to get their man through the Electoral College vote. Now that it's basically gridlocked, the feeling is that they want to change horses in midstream, so to speak. Would they complain about the results if it happened the other way round? I very much doubt it. If Gore talks about upholding the law, he might have to swallow his pride and admit defeat.
4. Miscast Votes - If the general idea is that once you vote you have the right to complain and to be taken seriously, then you make sure that you do it right. If I'm not mistaken the whacky voting papers were designed by a Democrat? Weren't their little arrows pointing to the candidates punch hole? Voting takes all of five minutes in the booth, if you can't take an extra minute to read the paper over then it's too bad. Sorry to be so blunt.
Again, nobody has mentioned that even though votes were miscast in Florida, they left booths open for an extra 40 minutes or so in Missouri so that Democrats could vote. If Gore questions Florida and asks for a revote, shouldn't there be a revote in Missouri for Bush? Or is there the danger then that Bush could sweep both the popular and electoral vote?
5. A modest proposal - If this whole election is supposedly slanted, surely the only truly fair thing to do is to have this election declared void and a full run off declared for March or April? Clean the slate and start again. This means also that the Democrats can't race-bait, slander and bribe the homeless into voting with cigarrettes and the new citizens into voting because they got their citizenship on a fast track. The Republicans can't....ermmmm,
6. The character of the candidates - If there was a run off, I might also suggest that the candidates are portrayed fairly. Gore has to answer for the flip-flopping, Bush has to answer for his business ties. Bush graduated from Yale and Harvard and yet Gore dropped out of Bible School.
7. Experience - Gore has been trying for the same job for 12 years. He's been the VP (aka a Clinton apologist) in between times he has been a legislator in the rank of a few hundred others. GWB has professional experience which has included being the CEO of a corporation of about 400. Where Gore has spent his life in the Beltway, GWB has got executive experience. With one attempt, Bush matched and gridlocked a Beltway `yes man`. If Bush is incompetent, Gore must be pretty useless as well.
8. Vote Against The Establishment - If Bush wins won't anyone else find it funny when Alec Baldwin starts acting like a moron?!?! Regardless of your affiliations don't you want to see the smirks wiped off the faces of Cher and Streisand!?!?!
I'll call it quits for now=o)
Richard
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>>A question for everyone, how far should Gore take this >>dispute, especially the Palm Beach ballots?
Can I say upfront that I would be ready to roll with whoever the final result favours. But a number of thoughts have struck me since I last posted. Respond to as many or as few as you see fit...!
1. James Baker 3rd - If the Gore team can cleanly pull it out of the bag with JB3 as the chief negotiator for the Republican delegation, then perhaps Gore finally `deserves` the post of President. Personally, I can't see that there are any Democratic players who could match him and I could feasibly see JB3 pulling it out of the bag for GWB by Monday at the latest.
2. The Democratic Legal Team - If the Gore team can't cleanly pull it out of the bag by the end of today with a whole squad of lawyers on the job, then I would suggest that the honourable thing to do for Gore is to conceed. If his managers have any sense, they'll shut their spinners and talkers up and let the results happen. But clearly Gore is so anxious to get in, he can't do that, and Jesse Jackson is down there troublemaking on his behalf.
Let's be honest folks, both campaigns undershot and overestimated. Bush should have chased the Michigan/PA/ FLA triangle as well as the heartlands. Gore should have made a stronger chase for the heartlands as well as the triangle. Both men thought that their plan plus one would eek them over the line but they are now gridlocked. If Gore was as good as he says he is, he would have nailed it down.
If Gore hadn't of made such an ass out of himself in the debates and played a clean game, he would have been at the point where he could of chased Florida even harder and with reasonable favour from all sides. But because of the showmanship of the debates and the fear-mongering on the last leg of the campaign, his people have painted him as a hysterical little girl trying to kick GWB in the shins.
3. The Electoral College - The Democrats knew from the get-go that their role was to get their man through the Electoral College vote. Now that it's basically gridlocked, the feeling is that they want to change horses in midstream, so to speak. Would they complain about the results if it happened the other way round? I very much doubt it. If Gore talks about upholding the law, he might have to swallow his pride and admit defeat.
4. Miscast Votes - If the general idea is that once you vote you have the right to complain and to be taken seriously, then you make sure that you do it right. If I'm not mistaken the whacky voting papers were designed by a Democrat? Weren't their little arrows pointing to the candidates punch hole? Voting takes all of five minutes in the booth, if you can't take an extra minute to read the paper over then it's too bad. Sorry to be so blunt.
Again, nobody has mentioned that even though votes were miscast in Florida, they left booths open for an extra 40 minutes or so in Missouri so that Democrats could vote. If Gore questions Florida and asks for a revote, shouldn't there be a revote in Missouri for Bush? Or is there the danger then that Bush could sweep both the popular and electoral vote?
5. A modest proposal - If this whole election is supposedly slanted, surely the only truly fair thing to do is to have this election declared void and a full run off declared for March or April? Clean the slate and start again. This means also that the Democrats can't race-bait, slander and bribe the homeless into voting with cigarrettes and the new citizens into voting because they got their citizenship on a fast track. The Republicans can't....ermmmm,
6. The character of the candidates - If there was a run off, I might also suggest that the candidates are portrayed fairly. Gore has to answer for the flip-flopping, Bush has to answer for his business ties. Bush graduated from Yale and Harvard and yet Gore dropped out of Bible School.
7. Experience - Gore has been trying for the same job for 12 years. He's been the VP (aka a Clinton apologist) in between times he has been a legislator in the rank of a few hundred others. GWB has professional experience which has included being the CEO of a corporation of about 400. Where Gore has spent his life in the Beltway, GWB has got executive experience. With one attempt, Bush matched and gridlocked a Beltway `yes man`. If Bush is incompetent, Gore must be pretty useless as well.
8. Vote Against The Establishment - If Bush wins won't anyone else find it funny when Alec Baldwin starts acting like a moron?!?! Regardless of your affiliations don't you want to see the smirks wiped off the faces of Cher and Streisand!?!?!
I'll call it quits for now=o)
Richard
Can I say upfront that I would be ready to roll with whoever the final result favours. But a number of thoughts have struck me since I last posted. Respond to as many or as few as you see fit...!
1. James Baker 3rd - If the Gore team can cleanly pull it out of the bag with JB3 as the chief negotiator for the Republican delegation, then perhaps Gore finally `deserves` the post of President. Personally, I can't see that there are any Democratic players who could match him and I could feasibly see JB3 pulling it out of the bag for GWB by Monday at the latest.
2. The Democratic Legal Team - If the Gore team can't cleanly pull it out of the bag by the end of today with a whole squad of lawyers on the job, then I would suggest that the honourable thing to do for Gore is to conceed. If his managers have any sense, they'll shut their spinners and talkers up and let the results happen. But clearly Gore is so anxious to get in, he can't do that, and Jesse Jackson is down there troublemaking on his behalf.
Let's be honest folks, both campaigns undershot and overestimated. Bush should have chased the Michigan/PA/ FLA triangle as well as the heartlands. Gore should have made a stronger chase for the heartlands as well as the triangle. Both men thought that their plan plus one would eek them over the line but they are now gridlocked. If Gore was as good as he says he is, he would have nailed it down.
If Gore hadn't of made such an ass out of himself in the debates and played a clean game, he would have been at the point where he could of chased Florida even harder and with reasonable favour from all sides. But because of the showmanship of the debates and the fear-mongering on the last leg of the campaign, his people have painted him as a hysterical little girl trying to kick GWB in the shins.
3. The Electoral College - The Democrats knew from the get-go that their role was to get their man through the Electoral College vote. Now that it's basically gridlocked, the feeling is that they want to change horses in midstream, so to speak. Would they complain about the results if it happened the other way round? I very much doubt it. If Gore talks about upholding the law, he might have to swallow his pride and admit defeat.
4. Miscast Votes - If the general idea is that once you vote you have the right to complain and to be taken seriously, then you make sure that you do it right. If I'm not mistaken the whacky voting papers were designed by a Democrat? Weren't their little arrows pointing to the candidates punch hole? Voting takes all of five minutes in the booth, if you can't take an extra minute to read the paper over then it's too bad. Sorry to be so blunt.
Again, nobody has mentioned that even though votes were miscast in Florida, they left booths open for an extra 40 minutes or so in Missouri so that Democrats could vote. If Gore questions Florida and asks for a revote, shouldn't there be a revote in Missouri for Bush? Or is there the danger then that Bush could sweep both the popular and electoral vote?
5. A modest proposal - If this whole election is supposedly slanted, surely the only truly fair thing to do is to have this election declared void and a full run off declared for March or April? Clean the slate and start again. This means also that the Democrats can't race-bait, slander and bribe the homeless into voting with cigarrettes and the new citizens into voting because they got their citizenship on a fast track. The Republicans can't....ermmmm,
6. The character of the candidates - If there was a run off, I might also suggest that the candidates are portrayed fairly. Gore has to answer for the flip-flopping, Bush has to answer for his business ties. Bush graduated from Yale and Harvard and yet Gore dropped out of Bible School.
7. Experience - Gore has been trying for the same job for 12 years. He's been the VP (aka a Clinton apologist) in between times he has been a legislator in the rank of a few hundred others. GWB has professional experience which has included being the CEO of a corporation of about 400. Where Gore has spent his life in the Beltway, GWB has got executive experience. With one attempt, Bush matched and gridlocked a Beltway `yes man`. If Bush is incompetent, Gore must be pretty useless as well.
8. Vote Against The Establishment - If Bush wins won't anyone else find it funny when Alec Baldwin starts acting like a moron?!?! Regardless of your affiliations don't you want to see the smirks wiped off the faces of Cher and Streisand!?!?!
I'll call it quits for now=o)
Richard
