We've had this long rolling conversation with Marc for 20 odd years now. Reading through Marc's latest responses this morning, well, yeah...I got nowhere with what I said. I mean, you can read this thread, Andi, as an example of how it has gone for 20 years trying to get through to Marc in some way. No matter what I say, what any of us say, Marc's response will be guaranteed to be odd and really, a dead end. 

I do understand why EEE and David feel the way they do and yes, when Marc posts a series of responses like the latest ones, I do look like a fool for trying again to get through to him. My apologies to everyone for playing the fool. 

I will say in speaking with Marc my expectation is not that I will be able to change his mind, just to make him think and perhaps learn something in the process myself. I guess, reading his latest responses in this thread, I can only say, he's got an amazing gift for ignoring facts and honesty. It's really kind of stunning how good at that he is.  No matter what point I make, what piece of information I present, when he responds, it is as if I never said it. 

I don't know how to take that, either he is incredibly comfortable with a level of dishonesty that borders on pathological or he really does not comprehend what I am saying. Either way it's not good. 

So, yes, you are definitely approaching your get out the vote efforts in the right manner. You can't spend 20 years trying to have a breakthrough with someone, it is tiring and you end up feeling you've lost your own mind. I basically started my day with coffee, Marc's responses, and feeling like I owe EEE and David a massive apology.