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Somewhere between Ayn Rand and Jesus Christ the bubble in the level of Individualism/Community moves between selfishness and altruism. Chavez excused his move from altruism to greed by his successful efforts to improve the lot of the poor, which he did in some measure before selfishness (greed) stepped in and interfered with his dream, just as it has in all attempts at communism. Profits from the tools of production placed in the hands of a government headed by monarchy ultimately feed the coffers of the monarch.
Selfishness is based on fear, as is an individualism that refuses to admit to any loyalty other than to one's immediate community. Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Shawn Hannity, and the others you mentioned, preach fear to individualists, such as Marc, who quake at the mention of arms control, taxation, immigration, and any government sponsored program designed to relieve some of the pain felt by the disadvantaged.
The bubble strikes a balance in men such as Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Ted Turner,and yes, Sean Penn, and others, celebrities in their own right, who never lose sight of the bigger community, even the world, they are, like Socrates, citizens of.
Of course they use their celebrityhood with which to espouse and display and put into action their values.
In this context, they are fearless individuals, spitting on the grave of Ayn Rand and living in the shadow of the man who forgave the thief.
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Somewhere between Ayn Rand and Jesus Christ the bubble in the level of Individualism/Community moves between selfishness and altruism. Chavez excused his move from altruism to greed by his successful efforts to improve the lot of the poor, which he did in some measure before selfishness (greed) stepped in and interfered with his dream, just as it has in all attempts at communism. Profits from the tools of production placed in the hands of a government headed by monarchy ultimately feed the coffers of the monarch.
Selfishness is based on fear, as is an individualism that refuses to admit to any loyalty other than to one's immediate community. Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Shawn Hannity, and the others you mentioned, preach fear to individualists, such as Marc, who quake at the mention of arms control, taxation, immigration, and any government sponsored program designed to relieve some of the pain felt by the disadvantaged.
The bubble strikes a balance in men such as Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Ted Turner,and yes, Sean Penn, and others, celebrities in their own right, who never lose sight of the bigger community, even the world, they are, like Socrates, citizens of.
Of course they use their celebrityhood with which to espouse and display and put into action their values.
In this context, they are fearless individuals, spitting on the grave of Ayn Rand and living in the shadow of the man who forgave the thief.
posted 2013.03.11
posted on March 11th 2013
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Sean Penn lost a friend – Marc on March 6th, 2013-
Re: Sean Penn lost a friend – edlorah on March 6th, 2013
Why? – EEE on March 6th, 2013-
Re: Why? – edlorah on March 6th, 2013-
Re: Why? – messybear on March 6th, 2013
Re: Why? – Dan on March 6th, 2013
Re: Why not music? – rosskolnikov on March 8th, 2013-
Re: Why not music? – Marc on March 9th, 2013
Re: Why? – messybear on March 6th, 2013
Re: Why? – Marc on March 7th, 2013-
Re: Why? – edlorah on March 7th, 2013
You are an ass.... – EEE on March 7th, 2013-
concerning educating Marc – mick on March 7th, 2013-
What pissed me off is the utter lack of respect.... – EEE on March 8th, 2013-
No I'm still here EEE – Marc on March 9th, 2013-
Re: No I'm still here EEE – edlorah on March 9th, 2013-
Re: No I'm still here EEE – Marc on March 9th, 2013-
Re: No I'm still here EEE – edlorah on March 9th, 2013-
He'll shrink and fade....as usuall – EEE on March 9th, 2013-
socialism – mick on March 10th, 2013-
Re: social isms – messybear on March 11th, 2013
Chavez and oil... – Reg on March 7th, 2013-
Re: Chavez and oil... – edlorah on March 7th, 2013-
Re: Chavez and oil... – rosskolnikov on March 8th, 2013-
Re: Chavez and oil... – Marc on March 9th, 2013-
Re: Chavez and oil... – rosskolnikov on March 9th, 2013-
Re: Chavez and oil... – randym on March 10th, 2013-
Re: Chavez and oil... – edlorah on March 10th, 2013
Re: Chavez and oil... – rosskolnikov on March 10th, 2013
Re: Chavez and oil... – edlorah on March 10th, 2013
Re: Chavez and oil... – Marc on March 10th, 2013-
Re: Chavez and oil... – edlorah on March 11th, 2013-
Re: Chavez and oil... – heathcliffe on March 11th, 2013-
Re: Chavez and oil... – messybear on March 11th, 2013
Re: Chavez and oil... – Herring405 on March 15th, 2013-
Re: Chavez and oil... – heathcliffe on March 16th, 2013
The Problem with Chavez's heating oil subsidy – rosskolnikov on March 8th, 2013-
I don't think problem is a word I would use... – Reg on March 8th, 2013-
Re: I don't think problem is a word I would use... – rosskolnikov on March 8th, 2013-
Sorry to go on and on . . . – rosskolnikov on March 8th, 2013-
Re: Sorry to go on and on . . . – Reg on March 9th, 2013-
Re: Sorry to go on and on . . . – rosskolnikov on March 9th, 2013-
Re: Sorry to go on and on . . . – Marc on March 23rd, 2013-
Re: Slurry on and on . . . – messybear on March 23rd, 2013
Re: Sorry to go on and on . . . – edlorah on March 23rd, 2013-
Re: deep down in the muck – rosskolnikov on March 27th, 2013-
Re: deep down in the muck – heathcliffe on March 27th, 2013-
Re: stuck – rosskolnikov on March 27th, 2013-
Re: stuck – heathcliffe on March 28th, 2013-
Re: stuck – rosskolnikov on March 28th, 2013
Moving back to how this thread started... – Reg on March 28th, 2013-
Re: Moving back to how this thread started... – rosskolnikov on March 28th, 2013-
Basically the IMF finally sat down and watched Al Gore's documentary... – Reg on March 29th, 2013-
Re: Basically the IMF finally sat down and watched Al Gore's documentary... – rosskolnikov on March 31st, 2013
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