Pat, If I said what I truly felt it would make no difference and I don't want to fight other people's battles. It's a no win situation here, and being a game of two halves we'll have to hold fire until the fat lady sings...innit? Pat/Dan you 're a pair of stars and Pat your buttons are  being pressed because they can be...I will make a stand if needed and it wouldn't be pleasant for Kent if I got involved. I've tried in a gentle manner to look for the consistency in being a buddhist and then ripping into people the way he does. I don't even want an answer now...thesad thing for me is he's become irrelevant and insubstantial yet still worthy of compassion because he suffers mental anguish the likes of which I've rarely seen. remember

fear meeting pain brings pity

love meeting pain brings compassion   OhMMMMMM