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Well, we actually do have more than just the 2 parties. The issue is the
road to getting elected tends to run through those two parties and the
two main parties control the election process. When I went to vote this
time there were 4 parties on the ballot for president. For example, the
other parties can apply to get on the ballot in each state but if they
want to participate in the televised debates they need to be garnering
15% of the votes in a primary process. Who decides that? The Republicans
and Democrats, of course. And the smaller independent parties tend to
only get about 1 to 7 percent of the vote. Meaning they have no shot of
reaching the 15% that would allow them to participate in a debate. Which
is why the two "ruling" parties set the bar at 15%.
The two ruling parties know that all these other independent parties
do
is drain votes from their candidates in an election. So, this is why
Hillary Clinton's people viciously attacked Green party candidate Jill
Stein. It was not because Stein could beat her, she had no chance in the
world to do that, but because Stein could drain a crucial 1% of Hillary's
vote...which could be enough to swing a state to Donald Trump. This is
also why after the election some Hillary supporters immediately blamed
Stein and the Green party for Trump's victory...because the voting was
that close that 1% in a state could drastically change the outcome.
So, we have more than two parties but anybody looking at those
ballots
knew that only a Democrat or a Republican was actually going to get
elected. This is why Libertarian Vice Presidential candidate Bill Weld
actually endorsed Hillary Clinton before the election. He's on the ticket
of an independent party but he is telling people not to vote for his
party but to vote for Hillary. And Weld and his running mate were former
Republicans meant to drain votes from Trump!
This puts the voter in a tough position. If you voted for the
Libertarian
party or the Green party all you really were doing was wasting your vote
OR draining votes from either the Republican or the Democrat.
In a swing state (a state that could swing either to the Republican
or
Democrat in an election) this puts voters in a very tough spot because
they have been being bombarded with reports that the entire world will
end if the wrong candidate is elected...and they know the candidate that
will be elected will either be the Republican or the Democrat.
Essentially, the media trains voters to hate the "other" candidate to
such an extent that...well...voters appear to become dangerous and
violent. All rational thought and the ability to communicate goes out the
window and not only do they end up hating the other candidate they end up
hating everybody that would dare support the other candidate.So, really the issue is not that we don't have other parties, we do,
but
the media and the two ruling parties have the system rigged such that a
voter that votes for an independent party is just participating in
"destroying the country."
–--
'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
Reg
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Well, we actually do have more than just the 2 parties. The issue is the
road to getting elected tends to run through those two parties and the
two main parties control the election process. When I went to vote this
time there were 4 parties on the ballot for president. For example, the
other parties can apply to get on the ballot in each state but if they
want to participate in the televised debates they need to be garnering
15% of the votes in a primary process. Who decides that? The Republicans
and Democrats, of course. And the smaller independent parties tend to
only get about 1 to 7 percent of the vote. Meaning they have no shot of
reaching the 15% that would allow them to participate in a debate. Which
is why the two "ruling" parties set the bar at 15%.
The two ruling parties know that all these other independent parties
do
is drain votes from their candidates in an election. So, this is why
Hillary Clinton's people viciously attacked Green party candidate Jill
Stein. It was not because Stein could beat her, she had no chance in the
world to do that, but because Stein could drain a crucial 1% of Hillary's
vote...which could be enough to swing a state to Donald Trump. This is
also why after the election some Hillary supporters immediately blamed
Stein and the Green party for Trump's victory...because the voting was
that close that 1% in a state could drastically change the outcome.
So, we have more than two parties but anybody looking at those
ballots
knew that only a Democrat or a Republican was actually going to get
elected. This is why Libertarian Vice Presidential candidate Bill Weld
actually endorsed Hillary Clinton before the election. He's on the ticket
of an independent party but he is telling people not to vote for his
party but to vote for Hillary. And Weld and his running mate were former
Republicans meant to drain votes from Trump!
This puts the voter in a tough position. If you voted for the
Libertarian
party or the Green party all you really were doing was wasting your vote
OR draining votes from either the Republican or the Democrat.
In a swing state (a state that could swing either to the Republican
or
Democrat in an election) this puts voters in a very tough spot because
they have been being bombarded with reports that the entire world will
end if the wrong candidate is elected...and they know the candidate that
will be elected will either be the Republican or the Democrat.
Essentially, the media trains voters to hate the "other" candidate to
such an extent that...well...voters appear to become dangerous and
violent. All rational thought and the ability to communicate goes out the
window and not only do they end up hating the other candidate they end up
hating everybody that would dare support the other candidate.So, really the issue is not that we don't have other parties, we do,
but
the media and the two ruling parties have the system rigged such that a
voter that votes for an independent party is just participating in
"destroying the country."
–--
'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
