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First, the reason healthcare costs are so high is not at all that illegal immigrants are flooding our emergency rooms. Second on this illegal immigrant issue it is obvious that kind of problem will be far worse in border states like Texas and California. In other states we have illegal immigrants in the emergency rooms but also we have scores of uninsured Americans that can do nothing about problems they are having until it reaches a critical point and they end up in an emergency room at which point with treatment, pharmaceuticals, and recovery costs the end result costs a lot more than had these people had some kind of healthcare option (not insurance option) to begin with. This means it costs all of us more to have uninsured people walking around waiting until things get bad enough that they end up in an emergency room. That also is the key factor in why America's emergency rooms are crowded. Why are the costs of health insurance so high and healthcare costs so bloated? I can tell you it is not primarily due to illegal immigrants going to the emergency room, it is because insurance companies and Big Pharma have blown up costs to increase profit because nothing prevents them from doing so. If you fix this problem and provide healthcare to all the costs will decrease and the tax burden of dealing with the problem would pale in comparison to fixing the disaster we have now. Also we would decrease the cost burden on small business of health insurance leading to a fatter healthier economy because it would then become more attractive to small business to add employees rather than choosing to do without due to the benefit cost burden. When people end up in an emergency room it is because they have reached a point where they need care immediately, this is not healthcare it is emergency treatment and should not be weighed as a blockade to ending this insurance nonsense. It is actually a symptom of the health insurance fiasco. Last, in any country that is considered first world and civilized no human being should be turned away from a hospital and refused treatment as if they are some sort of wild animal. I really don't care how they got into that country once there if they have a health emergency leaving the person on the street to die is not an option and really is an outrageous suggestion. I also don't think it is the place of government at all to tell doctors who they can and can't treat. If we can suddenly find insane sums of cash to pour into wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (that we knew at the start would net us zero other than huge debt and general worldwide animosity) we can find a solution to caring for our fellow human beings, which should in a sane world be our number one priority. Bottom line is these are not issues that can be combined. If you want to go after illegal immigration you do not do it through healthcare legislation and the suggestion that we should is off the charts wrong. Go after the people that cause illegal immigration, the companies that pay them, particularly the food industry and see what happens. The illegal immigrants are not the criminals because they are just people trying to provide for their families or make some kind of better lives and if you tell me you would not do the same in their shoes I'd know right away you are a liar. Tell me you would not do whatever it takes to help your family and I'd question exactly what sort of human being you are.Illegal immigrants are the bottom rung in this chain so to suggest we start fixing the problem by going after them is sort of like shooting a man into space with the idea we will build his spaceship around him once he is there.
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'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
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First, the reason healthcare costs are so high is not at all that illegal immigrants are flooding our emergency rooms. Second on this illegal immigrant issue it is obvious that kind of problem will be far worse in border states like Texas and California. In other states we have illegal immigrants in the emergency rooms but also we have scores of uninsured Americans that can do nothing about problems they are having until it reaches a critical point and they end up in an emergency room at which point with treatment, pharmaceuticals, and recovery costs the end result costs a lot more than had these people had some kind of healthcare option (not insurance option) to begin with. This means it costs all of us more to have uninsured people walking around waiting until things get bad enough that they end up in an emergency room. That also is the key factor in why America's emergency rooms are crowded. Why are the costs of health insurance so high and healthcare costs so bloated? I can tell you it is not primarily due to illegal immigrants going to the emergency room, it is because insurance companies and Big Pharma have blown up costs to increase profit because nothing prevents them from doing so. If you fix this problem and provide healthcare to all the costs will decrease and the tax burden of dealing with the problem would pale in comparison to fixing the disaster we have now. Also we would decrease the cost burden on small business of health insurance leading to a fatter healthier economy because it would then become more attractive to small business to add employees rather than choosing to do without due to the benefit cost burden. When people end up in an emergency room it is because they have reached a point where they need care immediately, this is not healthcare it is emergency treatment and should not be weighed as a blockade to ending this insurance nonsense. It is actually a symptom of the health insurance fiasco. Last, in any country that is considered first world and civilized no human being should be turned away from a hospital and refused treatment as if they are some sort of wild animal. I really don't care how they got into that country once there if they have a health emergency leaving the person on the street to die is not an option and really is an outrageous suggestion. I also don't think it is the place of government at all to tell doctors who they can and can't treat. If we can suddenly find insane sums of cash to pour into wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (that we knew at the start would net us zero other than huge debt and general worldwide animosity) we can find a solution to caring for our fellow human beings, which should in a sane world be our number one priority. Bottom line is these are not issues that can be combined. If you want to go after illegal immigration you do not do it through healthcare legislation and the suggestion that we should is off the charts wrong. Go after the people that cause illegal immigration, the companies that pay them, particularly the food industry and see what happens. The illegal immigrants are not the criminals because they are just people trying to provide for their families or make some kind of better lives and if you tell me you would not do the same in their shoes I'd know right away you are a liar. Tell me you would not do whatever it takes to help your family and I'd question exactly what sort of human being you are.Illegal immigrants are the bottom rung in this chain so to suggest we start fixing the problem by going after them is sort of like shooting a man into space with the idea we will build his spaceship around him once he is there.
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'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
posted 2009.10.24
posted on October 24th 2009
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T.R. Reid on Link TV – messybear on October 17th, 2009-
Link... – messybear on October 19th, 2009
Everybody should watch the video MB posted above if they want to understand the healthcare issue... – Reg on October 20th, 2009-
Re: Everybody should watch the video MB posted above if they want to understand the healthcare issue – Dslacker on October 21st, 2009-
Pretty much, Ds... – Reg on October 21st, 2009
Re: Everybody should watch the video MB posted above if they want to understand the healthcare issue – randym on October 22nd, 2009-
Re: Everybody should watch the video MB posted above if they want to understand the healthcare issue – Reg on October 22nd, 2009-
Re: Everybody should watch the video MB posted above if they want to understand the healthcare issue – rosskolnikov on October 23rd, 2009
Re: Everybody should watch the video MB posted above if they want to understand the healthcare issue – randym on October 23rd, 2009-
Re: Everybody should watch the video MB posted above if they want to understand the healthcare issue – rosskolnikov on October 23rd, 2009-
Let's break this down guys... – Reg on October 23rd, 2009-
Re: Let's break this down guys... – heathcliffe on October 23rd, 2009
Re: Let's break this down guys... – rosskolnikov on October 23rd, 2009
Re: Let's break this down guys... – randym on October 24th, 2009-
Sorry, that's flat out wrong... – Reg on October 24th, 2009-
Re: Sorry, that's flat out brilliant... – edlorah on October 24th, 2009-
Re: Sorry, that's flat out brilliant... – Reg on October 25th, 2009
Re: Sorry, that's flat out wrong... – randym on October 25th, 2009-
Re: Sorry, that's flat out flatulent... – edlorah on October 25th, 2009
Re: Sorry, that's flat out wrong... – Reg on October 25th, 2009-
Re: Sorry, that's flat out wrong... – heathcliffe on October 25th, 2009
Re: Sorry, that's flat out wrong... – rosskolnikov on October 25th, 2009-
How would you do it, Ross? – Reg on October 26th, 2009-
Re: How would you do it, Ross? – edlorah on October 26th, 2009-
Re: How would you do it, Ed? – rosskolnikov on October 26th, 2009-
Re: How would you do it, Ed? – edlorah on October 27th, 2009-
here you go ... – edlorah on October 27th, 2009
Re: How would you do it, Ed? – messybear on October 27th, 2009-
Re: How would you do it, Ed? – heathcliffe on October 27th, 2009-
Re: How would you do it, Ed? – messybear on October 28th, 2009-
Re: How would you do it, Ed? – heathcliffe on October 28th, 2009-
Re: How would you do it, Ed? – messybear on October 28th, 2009
Re: How would you do it, Ed? – rosskolnikov on October 28th, 2009-
Re: How would you do it, Ed? – edlorah on October 28th, 2009-
Re: How would you do it, Ed? – rosskolnikov on October 29th, 2009-
Re: How would you do it, Ed? – edlorah on October 29th, 2009
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