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I saw this on cable a short time ago. It made me sick but what makes me sicker is the hard line jackasses in this country that still are agreeable to torture in America or in America's name. Time and time again I have read and seen interviews of people who have done interrogations with and without torture and most all say about the same thing: it does not fucking work. Several years ago, the most intimidating and successful interrogator in the Middle East was interviewed (I think it was in the New Yorker or maybe That Atlantic - I'm kicking myself for not saving the article) and he very strongly said torture does not work and there are better ways to get the information. But what does the pro-torture crowd do? They come up with these stupid and idiotic cries of 24-like infantile responses of "what if" doomsday scenarios to excuse torture, while at the same time can't name ONE, single instance of such an incident. Lastly, to prove torture does not work: recall when as a child how long it took for someone to either tickle your or mildly torture you until you said whatever they wanted. Remember the twisting of the arm to cry "uncle"? Or how about being tickled until being made to say "I'm a pansy" or shit like that? Human nature is human nature and the overwhelming number of us would say we loved GWB and would sleep with Rush Limpball, even if a man, if it meant no torture. And at least in my own ideals, I can honestly say that each day I think of what the US has done regarding this "war on terror" I am greatly disgusted and in disbelief a sitting US President sanctioned this criminality and allowed it to happen. Oh, and one last remark: for those operators who actually were able to make a conscious decision and want to claim the, "oh, my bosses said it was okay to do, therefore, it's was okay for me to do and I should be immune from prosectution" - I declare bull-fucking shit. YOU as well as your bosses, took an oath to the US Constitution and those of us involved in government work KNOW, or should KNOW, that if we know we are being given an illegal or unlawful order, if we know that, if we still carry it out, we are just as culpable as those giving he orders. (But don't mistake this - for those poor ignorant - and ignorance is not a bad thing, it simply means the lack of knowledge - soldiers who were manipulated at Abu Ghraib and other places, into doing the terrible bidding of those manipulating them, I do have sympathy for them and more contempt for those that took advantage of them).
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I saw this on cable a short time ago. It made me sick but what makes me sicker is the hard line jackasses in this country that still are agreeable to torture in America or in America's name. Time and time again I have read and seen interviews of people who have done interrogations with and without torture and most all say about the same thing: it does not fucking work. Several years ago, the most intimidating and successful interrogator in the Middle East was interviewed (I think it was in the New Yorker or maybe That Atlantic - I'm kicking myself for not saving the article) and he very strongly said torture does not work and there are better ways to get the information. But what does the pro-torture crowd do? They come up with these stupid and idiotic cries of 24-like infantile responses of "what if" doomsday scenarios to excuse torture, while at the same time can't name ONE, single instance of such an incident. Lastly, to prove torture does not work: recall when as a child how long it took for someone to either tickle your or mildly torture you until you said whatever they wanted. Remember the twisting of the arm to cry "uncle"? Or how about being tickled until being made to say "I'm a pansy" or shit like that? Human nature is human nature and the overwhelming number of us would say we loved GWB and would sleep with Rush Limpball, even if a man, if it meant no torture. And at least in my own ideals, I can honestly say that each day I think of what the US has done regarding this "war on terror" I am greatly disgusted and in disbelief a sitting US President sanctioned this criminality and allowed it to happen. Oh, and one last remark: for those operators who actually were able to make a conscious decision and want to claim the, "oh, my bosses said it was okay to do, therefore, it's was okay for me to do and I should be immune from prosectution" - I declare bull-fucking shit. YOU as well as your bosses, took an oath to the US Constitution and those of us involved in government work KNOW, or should KNOW, that if we know we are being given an illegal or unlawful order, if we know that, if we still carry it out, we are just as culpable as those giving he orders. (But don't mistake this - for those poor ignorant - and ignorance is not a bad thing, it simply means the lack of knowledge - soldiers who were manipulated at Abu Ghraib and other places, into doing the terrible bidding of those manipulating them, I do have sympathy for them and more contempt for those that took advantage of them).
