Green Mtn
location: Observing the Progressive madness with considerably less amusement.
listening to: Grandchildren, the best reason for saving the future.
registered: 2004.04.03
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Hello:)I was hoping to hear your view point Kathryn. We hear quite a
lot from Australia that is negative about your NAISystem, NLIS.
Ghosts in the system sort of stuff, increased consumer costs.May I inquire as to the size and scope of your operation in
terms of head? Are you hobbyists, or large producers, or
homesteaders, that sort of thing.Having been too busy to study NLIS, what with our troubles
here, I am not competent to comment on the rules you must
live by. But, I do know this is a system going into place world wide
and American is the last major stop in the developed world. I
know there are int'l reciprocal elements in the various
applicable treaties that are the origins of these systems.
Meaning if US standards/technological expectations increase,
then you Aussies will have to match us in order to remain
trading partners and so on. A nice reasonable sounding
methodology to turn the wrench.What is obvious about our NAISystem is that the only impact it
will have on the US's current trace back systems is that the
costs will increase substainially without any health and safety
improvement whatsoever. And that, for the small producers
and homesteaders and backyard growers and hobbyists the
system will force many to give up their horse and summer pig
and their pet ducks(YOU BASTARDS). I don't know about NLIS, but if our NAIS rules come into
existence, there are 14 reporting points one must make to our
gov, within 24 hours of the event. (These rules do not apply
to the factory farms.) And that includes such mundane
happenings as riding your horse off your premises, your goat
visiting the neighbors garden(hopefully:), your chicken
crossing the road, eggs hatching, the death resulting when
the fox got into the hen house and more endless paperwork.
Our rules also include fish, and though they insist not, there
have been isolated public statements in support of this and
the wording is sufficiently open ended that traditional pets
such as parakeets, dogs and cats will probably need to be
RFIDed too, eventually. Look at the Kiwi's, they must chip
their dogs, although herdsmen did finally get some
exemption. Another point of interest as touching upon small producers, is
that we will have to individually tag every animal while the
factory farms will have batch numbers. I guess we know who
made the rules huh?-)And I almost forgot, our rules provide for unannounced
searches of your premises, no warrant required, including the
privacy of your home.In addition, I know some history. I know that Stalin(& the
USSR) would not have existed without the repeated funding
and financial support of American Industrialists and
financiers/Brits too. Same goes for Hitler. Our current
presidents granddaddy played a major role, and escaped
prosecution during the WWII when other Americans doing the
same did not. I know America was the leader in eugenics
development beginning in the late 19th century and that the
USG gave pardons to German scientists in exchange for death
camp experiment documentation. As best I can tell, America
thought up the master race stuff, Nazi Germany was merely
following the logical course we established. Which in fact
some Germans used as their defense during their trials.
Meaning there are monsters in the world today too. Who,
given sufficient control, will perpetrate monsterous crimes
against the powerless again, and happily. In fact, I would
argue that what is going on in Iraq are crimes against
humanity, if only for the depleted uranium armaments my
country is using there and the remains they we daily add to
their countries dust.Dismiss it as a conspiracy if you like(though it surely is), but
my point is very simple: the same kinds of people are behind
today's international programs and treaties; the people at the
tippy top, who can operate behind the scenes, where the
curtain is never left open for a peek want the world managed. But Kathryn! these assholes are all legalists, we don't need to
see them, they put their plans on paper, lots and lots of
paper. Which most folks don't have the time or interest to
read because they are busy with their little piece of this big ol
hamster wheel. They make their documents as official and
high minded sounding as possible, knowing the suckers will
accept it because their concerns are primarily(& necessarily)
about the immediate, or that whistleblowing doesn't pay.Anyhow, America is the last stop. NAIS is being sold as
voluntary, yet the official literature says participation will be
manditory by 2009. (America has a lot of big expansive rules
coming due in 2009/2010) And just this week at the NIAA
conference in Kansas City, Dr Weimers of the USDA stated,
“we will drive every road in the country and find every animal”.
Sounds like a true believer to me. But in what ...I dearly hope you are right Kathryn, and I am but a silly
conspiracist. Except, what crime am I trying to perpetrate,
crime being elemental to a conspiracy? Is resisting the
curtailment of human liberty now a crime?By the way, Mad Cow Disease, is caused by feeding the
ground up remains of other cows to cows. It is not
transmitted to humans except by consumption. And yet!
public health officials continue to allow this clearly
indisputable unhealthy practice, which could so simply be
solved-but they don't, hmmm. This was the first
fearmongering excuse for NAIS here. Then it became
something else, then Avian Flu and now bioterrorism. (Any ol
excuse will do ... - Neville Brothers)Do you really think it is I who am the conspiracist?Thanks, and respects Lady
(:
–--
“Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions.” Wm O. Douglas
“Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions.” Wm O. Douglas
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Green Mtn
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Hello:)I was hoping to hear your view point Kathryn. We hear quite a
lot from Australia that is negative about your NAISystem, NLIS.
Ghosts in the system sort of stuff, increased consumer costs.May I inquire as to the size and scope of your operation in
terms of head? Are you hobbyists, or large producers, or
homesteaders, that sort of thing.Having been too busy to study NLIS, what with our troubles
here, I am not competent to comment on the rules you must
live by. But, I do know this is a system going into place world wide
and American is the last major stop in the developed world. I
know there are int'l reciprocal elements in the various
applicable treaties that are the origins of these systems.
Meaning if US standards/technological expectations increase,
then you Aussies will have to match us in order to remain
trading partners and so on. A nice reasonable sounding
methodology to turn the wrench.What is obvious about our NAISystem is that the only impact it
will have on the US's current trace back systems is that the
costs will increase substainially without any health and safety
improvement whatsoever. And that, for the small producers
and homesteaders and backyard growers and hobbyists the
system will force many to give up their horse and summer pig
and their pet ducks(YOU BASTARDS). I don't know about NLIS, but if our NAIS rules come into
existence, there are 14 reporting points one must make to our
gov, within 24 hours of the event. (These rules do not apply
to the factory farms.) And that includes such mundane
happenings as riding your horse off your premises, your goat
visiting the neighbors garden(hopefully:), your chicken
crossing the road, eggs hatching, the death resulting when
the fox got into the hen house and more endless paperwork.
Our rules also include fish, and though they insist not, there
have been isolated public statements in support of this and
the wording is sufficiently open ended that traditional pets
such as parakeets, dogs and cats will probably need to be
RFIDed too, eventually. Look at the Kiwi's, they must chip
their dogs, although herdsmen did finally get some
exemption. Another point of interest as touching upon small producers, is
that we will have to individually tag every animal while the
factory farms will have batch numbers. I guess we know who
made the rules huh?-)And I almost forgot, our rules provide for unannounced
searches of your premises, no warrant required, including the
privacy of your home.In addition, I know some history. I know that Stalin(& the
USSR) would not have existed without the repeated funding
and financial support of American Industrialists and
financiers/Brits too. Same goes for Hitler. Our current
presidents granddaddy played a major role, and escaped
prosecution during the WWII when other Americans doing the
same did not. I know America was the leader in eugenics
development beginning in the late 19th century and that the
USG gave pardons to German scientists in exchange for death
camp experiment documentation. As best I can tell, America
thought up the master race stuff, Nazi Germany was merely
following the logical course we established. Which in fact
some Germans used as their defense during their trials.
Meaning there are monsters in the world today too. Who,
given sufficient control, will perpetrate monsterous crimes
against the powerless again, and happily. In fact, I would
argue that what is going on in Iraq are crimes against
humanity, if only for the depleted uranium armaments my
country is using there and the remains they we daily add to
their countries dust.Dismiss it as a conspiracy if you like(though it surely is), but
my point is very simple: the same kinds of people are behind
today's international programs and treaties; the people at the
tippy top, who can operate behind the scenes, where the
curtain is never left open for a peek want the world managed. But Kathryn! these assholes are all legalists, we don't need to
see them, they put their plans on paper, lots and lots of
paper. Which most folks don't have the time or interest to
read because they are busy with their little piece of this big ol
hamster wheel. They make their documents as official and
high minded sounding as possible, knowing the suckers will
accept it because their concerns are primarily(& necessarily)
about the immediate, or that whistleblowing doesn't pay.Anyhow, America is the last stop. NAIS is being sold as
voluntary, yet the official literature says participation will be
manditory by 2009. (America has a lot of big expansive rules
coming due in 2009/2010) And just this week at the NIAA
conference in Kansas City, Dr Weimers of the USDA stated,
“we will drive every road in the country and find every animal”.
Sounds like a true believer to me. But in what ...I dearly hope you are right Kathryn, and I am but a silly
conspiracist. Except, what crime am I trying to perpetrate,
crime being elemental to a conspiracy? Is resisting the
curtailment of human liberty now a crime?By the way, Mad Cow Disease, is caused by feeding the
ground up remains of other cows to cows. It is not
transmitted to humans except by consumption. And yet!
public health officials continue to allow this clearly
indisputable unhealthy practice, which could so simply be
solved-but they don't, hmmm. This was the first
fearmongering excuse for NAIS here. Then it became
something else, then Avian Flu and now bioterrorism. (Any ol
excuse will do ... - Neville Brothers)Do you really think it is I who am the conspiracist?Thanks, and respects Lady
(:
–--
“Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions.” Wm O. Douglas
“Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions.” Wm O. Douglas
