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What we have here, is a practice session, carried out against people
that most of America is unsympathetic toward. It seems to me,
one way or another, this is the America's future. Any ideas on how
to thwart it?Be well, advised, GM
"In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak
up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for
the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade
unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up
because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that
time no one was left to speak up."
- Martin Niemoeller, the Lutheran minister who lived in Hitler's
Germany during the 1930s and 1940s
AND NOW, to our story:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/
09/08/AR2005090802089.htmlIn New OrleansTroops Escalate Urgency of Evacuation
By Timothy Dwyer and Ann Scott Tyson
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, September 9, 2005; Page A01
NEW ORLEANS, Sept. 8 -- Outside Kajun's Pub, between the
relatively dry French Quarter and the heavily flooded Ninth Ward,
bar owner JoAnn Guidos loaded up her 1991 Ford Econoline van
with clothing, liquor and other necessities Thursday morning. After
holding out for 10 days, Guidos and her friends were finally leaving
New Orleans and heading to high ground.The beer was still cold, thanks to a working generator, and hopes
for customers were strong as the flood-ravaged city fills with
thirsty soldiers and emergency workers.But on Wednesday night, Guidos said, armed federal agents
identifying themselves as U.S. marshals confiscated her weapons
and ordered her and six friends to leave by noon Thursday."When you get 15 M-16s pointed at you and they line you up
against the wall, it's kind of scary," said Guidos, 55.With floodwaters continuing to recede and cleanup efforts
beginning in earnest, police and the military set out on an
aggressive door-to-door campaign here Thursday, urging
remaining residents to leave or be removed by force.The former Big Easy took on the air of a military encampment, as
thousands of reserve and active-duty troops began patrolling the
city and assisting police in search-and-rescue missions. Houses
were marked with codes indicating whether any residents -- living
or dead -- were found inside. Emergency workers intensified
efforts to divide the city into grids in order to methodically retrieve
an unknown number of corpses still in the floodwaters or
entombed in ruined homes and businesses.Although the mayor issued a forcible evacuation order, Louisiana
and federal officials said they remained hopeful that most
stragglers will leave voluntarily when faced with urgent warnings
about dwindling supplies and hazardous floodwaters."We need everybody out so we can continue with the work of
restoring this city," Vice Admiral Thad W. Allen, the U.S. Coast
Guard chief of staff who has taken over the federal response in
New Orleans, said early in the day on CBS.P. Edwin Compass, the superintendent of police, said there are
thousands of people remaining in the city but that authorities are
determined to get everyone out. He said as little force as necessary
would be used but that staying is not an option. Anyone with a
weapon, even one legally registered, will have it confiscated, he
said."No one will be able to be armed," Compass said. "Guns will be
taken. Only law enforcement will be allowed to have guns."a Refrain:"If there is no struggle there is no progress.
Those who profess to favor freedom and yet depreciate agitation,
They are men who want crops without plowing up the ground,
They want rain without thunder and lightning.
They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters....
Power concedes nothing without a demand.
It never did and it never will." - Frederick Douglass, 1857Now back to our tale:
The evacuation effort, however, appeared haphazard at best.
Affluent areas that were not flooded, such as parts of the Garden
District and Uptown, appear to be a low priority for mandatory
evacuations.In the dry neighborhood of Marigny Triangle, residents lounged in
lawn chairs while listening to music blaring from "Radio Marigny,"
an impromptu outdoor music station. The area remained largely
untouched by floodwaters, and residents say they see little reason
to leave.Peter and Amy Bas, who have four children ages 5 to 14, noted that
they had already cleaned debris from their street. As the couple
relaxed in their front yard, a Louisiana state trooper cruised by and
asked if they needed diapers."Where are we going to go?" Peter Bas asked. "They're going to take
us and put us somewhere with 5,000 other people? We're going to
stay."Amy Bas added: "It could happen, but you think you're living in
America and nobody is going to make you leave your home."Police and the National Guard were aided by hundreds of
paratroopers from the 82nd Airborne Division, who canvassed the
French Quarter and neighborhoods surrounding the convention
center and Superdome.Active-duty U.S. troops such as the 82nd Airborne lack law
enforcement authority in a domestic city such as New Orleans, and
therefore must avoid direct involvement in forcibly evicting people.
Local police warned that they expected friction with residents as
they moved forcefully to pull them out, 82nd Airborne
commanders said.The paratroopers, along with other U.S. soldiers, patrolled parts of
the city section by section in boats, trucks and on foot, looking to
persuade more stragglers to leave."Hey! Evacuation!" Sgt. Geriah McAvin, 27, of Detroit yelled toward
a block of red brick apartments as his 82nd Airborne platoon rolled
into a flooded housing project in two lumbering, five-ton trucks.
"Hey! We're here to take you out of here."One man on crutches waved to the passing trucks from his front
stoop. But when the five-ton circled around to get him, he
hesitated."You're not taking me to the Superdome?" asked Alfred Jones, 43."No Superdome!" Dennison said.Eventually, Jones gave in, wincing and moaning in pain as the
soldiers lifted him onto the truck. Jones, who lived alone, has
severe arthritis in his legs and said he had survived with the help of
a friend who brought him food. But his friend left a few days ago,
and Jones had not eaten for at least a day and he ran out of water
on Wednesday. Given his leg condition, waving down a helicopter
was out of the question, he said.a Refrain:Cowardice asks the question: is it safe?
Expediency asks the question: is it politic?
Vanity asks the question: is it popular?
But conscience asks the question: is it right?
And there comes a time when one must take a position that is
- neither safe,- nor politic,- nor popular
- but one must take it simply - because it is right -
- Martin Luther King Jr."The technotronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more
controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite,
unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert
almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-
to-date complete files containing even the most personal
information about the citizen. These files will be subject to
instantaneous retrieval by the authorities."
- Zbigniew Brzezinski.Back to the Report:
With major levee breaks patched earlier this week, and a growing
number of pumps sending water into nearby Lake Pontchartrain,
the floodwaters appeared to be dropping quickly on Thursday.
Drier conditions in many areas allowed crews to step up efforts
clearing branches, lumber, bricks and other debris, piling the
rubble along roadsides and trolley tracks on St. Charles Avenue
and other once-picturesque boulevards.The Environmental Protection Agency also continued to monitor
the foul and polluted floodwater that still covers much of New
Orleans, testing for more than 100 kinds of chemicals, according
to EPA Administrator Steve Johnson. The fetid water, along with the
toxic sediment left behind, is one of the main reasons authorities
are so adamant about a full evacuation, officials said."The water is unsafe," Johnson said in an interview. "This is not just
putting in a couple of water bottles. . . . Ultimately we will do
whatever testing is needed to assure ourselves, and the public, that
the land and water is safe."
EPA officials hope to begin testing the sediment left in the
hurricane's wake as early as next week, but they are waiting for an
independent scientific board to approve their soil-testing plan.
Johnson said he and others are "not letting bureaucracy get in the
way" but are intent on devising a credible scientific approach to the
survey.As of Thursday, the official death toll from Hurricane Katrina rose
to 118 in Louisiana and 201 in Mississippi. But those numbers,
provided by authorities in charge of processing the dead, contrast
wildly with projections and the preparations that are underway.In Louisiana, a contractor working with the Federal Emergency
Management Agency has set aside 25,000 body bags, and New
Orleans Mayor C. Ray Nagin has said as many as 10,000 people
could be dead in the city.Ten days after the Category 4 storm struck the Gulf Coast, many
officials said they still do not know what to expect, nor are they
willing to provide projections for a final death toll."We're not giving estimates -- we're not looking for a body count,"
said Melissa Walker, a spokeswoman for the Louisiana Department
of Health and Hospitals, working at the state emergency operations
center. "These are individual lives that are lost, and each one of
them is important."One example of the difficulty in obtaining reliable information can
be seen in St. Bernard Parish, a devastated area 20 miles southeast
of downtown New Orleans. Rep. Charlie Melancon (D-La.) said
earlier this week that he was told that as many as 100 people died
at a warehouse in Chalmette while awaiting rescue, but Melancon
later said that number was incorrect.Staff writers Dan Eggen, Juliet Eilperin, Sue Anne Pressley and
Cheryl W. Thompson in Washington; Robert E. Pierre in New
Orleans; and Jacqueline L. Salmon in Baton Rouge, La., contributed
to this report.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<"The interests behind the Bush Administration, such as the Council
on Foreign Relations, The Trilateral Commission - founded by
Brzezinski for David Rockefeller - and the Bilderberger Group, have
prepared for and are now moving to implement open world
dictatorship within the next five years. They are not fighting
against terrorists. They are fighting against citizens."
- Dr. Johannes B. Koeppl, Ph.D., former German defense ministry
official and advisor to former NATO Secretary General Manfred
Werner (2001)
--
"As you journey through life take a minute every now and then to
give a thought for the other fellow. He could be plotting
something." -- Hagar the Horrible"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and
government to gain ground." --Thomas Jefferson"The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when
the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them." -
Patrick Henry"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they
want and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H. L. Mencken
–--
“Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions.” Wm O. Douglas
“Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions.” Wm O. Douglas
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What we have here, is a practice session, carried out against people
that most of America is unsympathetic toward. It seems to me,
one way or another, this is the America's future. Any ideas on how
to thwart it?Be well, advised, GM
"In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak
up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for
the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade
unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up
because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that
time no one was left to speak up."
- Martin Niemoeller, the Lutheran minister who lived in Hitler's
Germany during the 1930s and 1940s
AND NOW, to our story:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/
09/08/AR2005090802089.htmlIn New OrleansTroops Escalate Urgency of Evacuation
By Timothy Dwyer and Ann Scott Tyson
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, September 9, 2005; Page A01
NEW ORLEANS, Sept. 8 -- Outside Kajun's Pub, between the
relatively dry French Quarter and the heavily flooded Ninth Ward,
bar owner JoAnn Guidos loaded up her 1991 Ford Econoline van
with clothing, liquor and other necessities Thursday morning. After
holding out for 10 days, Guidos and her friends were finally leaving
New Orleans and heading to high ground.The beer was still cold, thanks to a working generator, and hopes
for customers were strong as the flood-ravaged city fills with
thirsty soldiers and emergency workers.But on Wednesday night, Guidos said, armed federal agents
identifying themselves as U.S. marshals confiscated her weapons
and ordered her and six friends to leave by noon Thursday."When you get 15 M-16s pointed at you and they line you up
against the wall, it's kind of scary," said Guidos, 55.With floodwaters continuing to recede and cleanup efforts
beginning in earnest, police and the military set out on an
aggressive door-to-door campaign here Thursday, urging
remaining residents to leave or be removed by force.The former Big Easy took on the air of a military encampment, as
thousands of reserve and active-duty troops began patrolling the
city and assisting police in search-and-rescue missions. Houses
were marked with codes indicating whether any residents -- living
or dead -- were found inside. Emergency workers intensified
efforts to divide the city into grids in order to methodically retrieve
an unknown number of corpses still in the floodwaters or
entombed in ruined homes and businesses.Although the mayor issued a forcible evacuation order, Louisiana
and federal officials said they remained hopeful that most
stragglers will leave voluntarily when faced with urgent warnings
about dwindling supplies and hazardous floodwaters."We need everybody out so we can continue with the work of
restoring this city," Vice Admiral Thad W. Allen, the U.S. Coast
Guard chief of staff who has taken over the federal response in
New Orleans, said early in the day on CBS.P. Edwin Compass, the superintendent of police, said there are
thousands of people remaining in the city but that authorities are
determined to get everyone out. He said as little force as necessary
would be used but that staying is not an option. Anyone with a
weapon, even one legally registered, will have it confiscated, he
said."No one will be able to be armed," Compass said. "Guns will be
taken. Only law enforcement will be allowed to have guns."a Refrain:"If there is no struggle there is no progress.
Those who profess to favor freedom and yet depreciate agitation,
They are men who want crops without plowing up the ground,
They want rain without thunder and lightning.
They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters....
Power concedes nothing without a demand.
It never did and it never will." - Frederick Douglass, 1857Now back to our tale:
The evacuation effort, however, appeared haphazard at best.
Affluent areas that were not flooded, such as parts of the Garden
District and Uptown, appear to be a low priority for mandatory
evacuations.In the dry neighborhood of Marigny Triangle, residents lounged in
lawn chairs while listening to music blaring from "Radio Marigny,"
an impromptu outdoor music station. The area remained largely
untouched by floodwaters, and residents say they see little reason
to leave.Peter and Amy Bas, who have four children ages 5 to 14, noted that
they had already cleaned debris from their street. As the couple
relaxed in their front yard, a Louisiana state trooper cruised by and
asked if they needed diapers."Where are we going to go?" Peter Bas asked. "They're going to take
us and put us somewhere with 5,000 other people? We're going to
stay."Amy Bas added: "It could happen, but you think you're living in
America and nobody is going to make you leave your home."Police and the National Guard were aided by hundreds of
paratroopers from the 82nd Airborne Division, who canvassed the
French Quarter and neighborhoods surrounding the convention
center and Superdome.Active-duty U.S. troops such as the 82nd Airborne lack law
enforcement authority in a domestic city such as New Orleans, and
therefore must avoid direct involvement in forcibly evicting people.
Local police warned that they expected friction with residents as
they moved forcefully to pull them out, 82nd Airborne
commanders said.The paratroopers, along with other U.S. soldiers, patrolled parts of
the city section by section in boats, trucks and on foot, looking to
persuade more stragglers to leave."Hey! Evacuation!" Sgt. Geriah McAvin, 27, of Detroit yelled toward
a block of red brick apartments as his 82nd Airborne platoon rolled
into a flooded housing project in two lumbering, five-ton trucks.
"Hey! We're here to take you out of here."One man on crutches waved to the passing trucks from his front
stoop. But when the five-ton circled around to get him, he
hesitated."You're not taking me to the Superdome?" asked Alfred Jones, 43."No Superdome!" Dennison said.Eventually, Jones gave in, wincing and moaning in pain as the
soldiers lifted him onto the truck. Jones, who lived alone, has
severe arthritis in his legs and said he had survived with the help of
a friend who brought him food. But his friend left a few days ago,
and Jones had not eaten for at least a day and he ran out of water
on Wednesday. Given his leg condition, waving down a helicopter
was out of the question, he said.a Refrain:Cowardice asks the question: is it safe?
Expediency asks the question: is it politic?
Vanity asks the question: is it popular?
But conscience asks the question: is it right?
And there comes a time when one must take a position that is
- neither safe,- nor politic,- nor popular
- but one must take it simply - because it is right -
- Martin Luther King Jr."The technotronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more
controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite,
unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert
almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-
to-date complete files containing even the most personal
information about the citizen. These files will be subject to
instantaneous retrieval by the authorities."
- Zbigniew Brzezinski.Back to the Report:
With major levee breaks patched earlier this week, and a growing
number of pumps sending water into nearby Lake Pontchartrain,
the floodwaters appeared to be dropping quickly on Thursday.
Drier conditions in many areas allowed crews to step up efforts
clearing branches, lumber, bricks and other debris, piling the
rubble along roadsides and trolley tracks on St. Charles Avenue
and other once-picturesque boulevards.The Environmental Protection Agency also continued to monitor
the foul and polluted floodwater that still covers much of New
Orleans, testing for more than 100 kinds of chemicals, according
to EPA Administrator Steve Johnson. The fetid water, along with the
toxic sediment left behind, is one of the main reasons authorities
are so adamant about a full evacuation, officials said."The water is unsafe," Johnson said in an interview. "This is not just
putting in a couple of water bottles. . . . Ultimately we will do
whatever testing is needed to assure ourselves, and the public, that
the land and water is safe."
EPA officials hope to begin testing the sediment left in the
hurricane's wake as early as next week, but they are waiting for an
independent scientific board to approve their soil-testing plan.
Johnson said he and others are "not letting bureaucracy get in the
way" but are intent on devising a credible scientific approach to the
survey.As of Thursday, the official death toll from Hurricane Katrina rose
to 118 in Louisiana and 201 in Mississippi. But those numbers,
provided by authorities in charge of processing the dead, contrast
wildly with projections and the preparations that are underway.In Louisiana, a contractor working with the Federal Emergency
Management Agency has set aside 25,000 body bags, and New
Orleans Mayor C. Ray Nagin has said as many as 10,000 people
could be dead in the city.Ten days after the Category 4 storm struck the Gulf Coast, many
officials said they still do not know what to expect, nor are they
willing to provide projections for a final death toll."We're not giving estimates -- we're not looking for a body count,"
said Melissa Walker, a spokeswoman for the Louisiana Department
of Health and Hospitals, working at the state emergency operations
center. "These are individual lives that are lost, and each one of
them is important."One example of the difficulty in obtaining reliable information can
be seen in St. Bernard Parish, a devastated area 20 miles southeast
of downtown New Orleans. Rep. Charlie Melancon (D-La.) said
earlier this week that he was told that as many as 100 people died
at a warehouse in Chalmette while awaiting rescue, but Melancon
later said that number was incorrect.Staff writers Dan Eggen, Juliet Eilperin, Sue Anne Pressley and
Cheryl W. Thompson in Washington; Robert E. Pierre in New
Orleans; and Jacqueline L. Salmon in Baton Rouge, La., contributed
to this report.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<"The interests behind the Bush Administration, such as the Council
on Foreign Relations, The Trilateral Commission - founded by
Brzezinski for David Rockefeller - and the Bilderberger Group, have
prepared for and are now moving to implement open world
dictatorship within the next five years. They are not fighting
against terrorists. They are fighting against citizens."
- Dr. Johannes B. Koeppl, Ph.D., former German defense ministry
official and advisor to former NATO Secretary General Manfred
Werner (2001)
--
"As you journey through life take a minute every now and then to
give a thought for the other fellow. He could be plotting
something." -- Hagar the Horrible"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and
government to gain ground." --Thomas Jefferson"The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when
the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them." -
Patrick Henry"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they
want and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H. L. Mencken
–--
“Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions.” Wm O. Douglas
“Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions.” Wm O. Douglas
