: I can't speak for Andrea, but me, I'm afraid of you, and everyone who's either forgotten or never learned their history. �He who would sacrifice his freedom for security deserves neither, as Ben Franklin so succinctly put it.

I don't suppose in Ben's day he was worried much about airliners full of innocent people crashing into buildings full of more innocent people now was he?  How do you suppose Ben might have felt about the freedoms of aborted babies?  Do you suppose he might have a problem with the following...

In September, 1993, Brenda Pratt Shafer, a registered nurse with thirteen years or experience, was assigned by her nursing agency to an abortion clinic. Since Nurse Shafer considered herself "very pro-choice," she didn�t think this assignment would be a problem. She was wrong. This is what Nurse Shafer saw:

" I stood at the doctor�s side and watched him perform a partial-birth abortion on a woman who was six months pregnant. The baby�s heartbeat was clearly visible on the ultrasound screen. The doctor delivered the baby�s body and arms, everything but his little head. The baby�s body was moving. His little fingers were clasping together. He was kicking his feet. The doctor took a pair of scissors and inserted them into the back of the baby�s head, and the baby�s arms jerked out in a flinch, a startle reaction, like a baby does when he thinks that he might fall. Then the doctor opened the scissors up. Then he stuck the high-powered suction tube into the hole and sucked the baby�s brains out. Now the baby was completely limp. I never went back to the clinic. But I am still haunted by the face of that little boy. It was the most perfect, angelic face I have ever seen."

This is perfectly legal in our society.  Do you have a problem with this or any other abortion for that matter, Dave?

Let's talk about real freedom here.  What you're concerned with is absolutely meaningless in comparison.

Kevin G.