Wowser-)

I don't know where to begin.

(I'll get back to you in a sec Reg).

Me a progressive Pat, you're the dip shit who takes Christ's name in vain on this board. Among other Christ dishonoring behavior.

That'll do ,,, ... ... ... ... ... ... on second thought:

Do any y'all know what a Laodicean is?

Let's let Jesus tell ya, keeping in mind he also said you'd know folks by their fruits:

14* ¶ And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; 15* I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16* So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. 17* Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: 18* I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. 19* As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

Which is what I respectfully exhort you do Pat, recalling Jesus also said, "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s ..." combined with "My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence." Pray on it Pat, and then do what Jesus would do and exhort your church mates as well.

Hey Reg, thanks fer the read. Good for Kuo, for finally coming clean. I think the following says it all:

"It all comes down to the fact that if the president wanted it, he would have gotten it," Kuo replies.

And, of course, well meaning Christians were being used, still are actually, what with the 'leaders' mining them through their fund raising lists, because they have the ear of power, our Christian President who has never disavowed masturbating in the coffin(or whatever it entailed). I predict, that the so-called Christian right, will be utterly aghast when the societal backlash comes and their Judas leaders jet off ... non stop to Hell hopefully. I further predict, Christians, among other newly designated enemy combatants(H.R. 6166, S 3930 Military Commission Act), will end up dead or in those civilian labor facilities the US Army has payed $475 million to KBR to refurbish in '05 & '06. Pat's hero will be right there supporting that too.

I wonder if Pat will be professing Jesus then, or if he's just a pretender too. I don't claim to know, but I do know, I am not the liberal Christian between he and I.

Mick: the scripture does allude to a number of events, Enoch being the first, Jesus' ascention being another, that indicate future events that are commonly characterized as 'the rapture' will occur. Personally, I think it a mistake to waste breath on it, cause though I believe they will transpire -because the bible tells me so- I will be surprised, like everyone else at its occurence, until recognition sets in anyhow.-) I'd really like to see you in the clouds too, but sadly, you reject such faith. Oh well(deep sigh) ...

Believe on Jesus people, he's the only good way out!

Anyhow, respects folks (;